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and the 9/11 and Bali victims....?

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I like it!:rofl:

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So the guantanamo bay prisoners are lucky to be alive then.....they are practically living in the lap of luxury!

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But they are treating them nicely. They are alive and have medical care and are not tortured. They are probably more comfortable than they were when they were fighting!

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I'm off to bed. Night all!:)

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Yes, but this is not the entire 'beef'. If you think that the only reason for doing bad things is because 'they are evil' then naturally you won't think anymore of it. this is the problem the US has.



I AM NOT SAYING THE ACT WAS JUSTIFIED I'M SAYING THEY THOUGHT IT WAS JUSTIFIED. The terrorists sacrified their lives for this cause, they obviously believed in it - we must understand why. Would you blow yourself up over a disliking someone?
I'm refusing to answer any of these type of arguements because it can amount to anything. Such as 'the US should be grateful the planes didn't hit a nuclear power plant' 'You should be grateful because at least David Blunket is trying to stop immagrants' - Why don't we just accept everything in the world? - lets face it - it could be a lot worse

I'm going to bed now as my head can't take more of this

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correct but it depends what you class as a formal declaration - the point is the IRA always 'considered' themselves at war therefore that is one side making a formal declaration.

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It's not funny. Not to the people in Burma anyway...

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I can vouch for the suffering of the Burma people at the hands of the (illegal) military rulers. I dont know about oil but I do know they profit a lot from tourism.

you cant call the people detained at guat. bay terrorists unless you believe in guilty until proven innocent. that last thing I heard about that place is that the yanks dont plan to put any to trial as they realise that the whole thing is a PR cockup.

as for the US having it coming... well that doesnt justify/excuse violence.

if other countries or people have been hard done by the US then fair enough if the US experiences non violent protest such as a demonstations - you can excuse that by saying 'they had it coming' but to suggest that the killing of thousands of civilians is because "they had it coming" is disgraceful.

certainly the US 'has it coming' in terms of a backlash for it's treatment of the Guat bay 'detainees' plus it's selfish environmental policy but only in terms of non violent expression - e.g. trade wars, diplomatic issues, demonstrations...

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you cant trust any media these days so you have to look for info somewhere

it works both ways

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I see where you are coming from and I agree completely with the above.

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I don't think choice has a big part in it. If you take the millions of muslims who are 'mifted' at the US it only took a handful of insane ones to pull off the 9 11 attack - it's probability, sooner or later something bad would happen.

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Exactly! It's the 'handful of insane ones' that I'm on about- they are evil, normal people don't do things like that.
I completely agree that the US/UK etc need to examine why they are hated by vast swathes of the worlds population and try to remedy matters but at the same time the suicidal lunatics need to be caged or exterminated like the mad dogs that they are.
I may be wrong here but I read somewhere that part of the problem with Islamic fundamentalism is that Islam is a relatively new religion compared to Cristianity and they are about 600 years behind where Cristianity is now. Think back to what Cristians were doing 600 years ago and you can see why they seem to have such a big/active 'lunatic fringe'

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The problem is the qua'ran doesn't leave much room for interpretation. The Bible is full of metaphoric lessions that Jesus taught, you can argue they mean almost anything. The qua'ran is more like a guide book, it tells people how to live and even mentions punishments for criminal (ie. cutting their hands off). This is why Muslim fundamentalists are many and dangerous.
Yes, but it must be remembered that they were only reacting or over-reacting to the hate already there.

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Islam never teaches you to harm anyone well the quran does not,the only exception i know of is if someone is harming your religion, but the muslim extremists feed young people's minds with false hope and promises, they only have themsleves to blame.