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He hasn't earned any of it by "real" work or living in the real world. Getting into a safe Labour seat and that was pretty much it. He and a lot in Labour, don't understand how businesses have to operate. They don't understand how to create revenue and limits costs. To them, money is just handed to them on a plate, with no consequences.

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Having targets and aims do not suggest falsifying documents. Without targets and commissions, people would simply sit on their backsides doing nothing and still earn money. The top people wouldn't want to lose money from those falsified documents, would they? In the short term, they might benefit, but it soon unravels. Just as Government overspending and borrowing does.

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You seem to conveniently overlook that investors lost out too, big time. The banking crisis affected most people, one way or another.

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Yeah, the communists of past regimes thought that, too. It didn't help the poor. Instead, it impoverished everyone. And investors ran a mile, so there was little money coming in.

Not one of your better ideas, jfman.

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Just amend "Labour" to "Labour and Conservative" to be accurate.

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If I lose money on the 4.40 at Cheltenham because I went for a 100/1 shot would you have sympathy for me for being fast and loose with my cash?
Unsure of what you refer to, and nobody is advocating communism so I dismiss your point as irrelevant.

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Having no robust quality assurance checks or auditing to pick up on such falsification supports that the steer is to get results at all costs and push the spreadsheet values up. Shareholder value goes up and those who move at the right time can make a fortune.

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On your first point, investors are investing as part of their job, and it is just as well that they do. You are preaching the politics of envy, because they can personally make a lot of money out of it. They can lose it all, as well.

As for your second point, it sounded pretty Communistic to me. What politics do you call it, then? Just where do you draw the line with these left-wing views you've been expressing?

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Still people at the bottom end of things originating the fraud.

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I'm pretty sure lads at the bottom didn't buy ABM-AMRO.

Anyway you'll never see the light so I'm moving on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50454627

But... But... This will harm business???

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Interesting that BoJo has cancelled the reduction in Corporation Tax as it would cost £6bn.

Seems that he's won the argument over the less economically-literate members of his MPs who kidded themselves that it would raise more revenue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50454627

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Yep, there are always hiccups in manufacturing and distribution and it does go to show how delicate the supply chains are in the pharmaceutical world.

If people are really interested, there are weekly updates on what drugs are currently banned from export from the UK due to shortages and internal needs. Here's the current list - https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...uk.csv/preview

Note that the list seems short as generic names are used and all presentations are kept together where appropriate

Seems to be a lot of contraceptive pills on there!

If you get caught exporting when you shouldn't, a world of pain will be coming to that exporter...

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Conservative is my choice at this stage unless it looks like the Brexit candidate has a better chance of ousting the Labour MP.

We have had 101 years of Labour here, even tough the gap has been closing there's little hope of getting rid of the Labour MP in my lifetime. Every election they vote for Labour because their father, grandfather and great grandfather voted Labour, then they spend the next 4-5 years complaining about Labour!

We have very strong left wing Momentum support here who keep reminding the uneducated that the Conservatives closed all the mines. I engaged one on social media about mines in the Rhondda, his reply was "We all know the Conservatives closed most of the mines". He provided a Wiki link, it took me all of 10 minutes to work out that since WW2 the scores for mine closures were 7 for the Conservatives and 12 for Labour. The left wing extremists hate facts and just get brave hurling abuse from their keyboards.

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Interesting notion you’ve brought up here, because I floated in the Brexit thread it was impossible for 33 million people to make fully informed choices. Yet I was shot down.

Further, assuming this holds do mothers vote Conservative? As we’d a Conservative Government from 1979-1997 (22 to 40 year olds) a lot of people’s dads must have voted Conservative. Do their children do the same, because they are equally wealthy and privileged? Or are they “too clever (enough to not die in a fire at least) and they always make informed choices?

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This Mirror article tends to disagree with you.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...closed-1844712

It is the jobs lost not the mines closed that is the important metric. You may have small mines that employ a small number of mines for example.

If you are claiming facts, it is very useful to cite your sources. I am afraid "Google is my source" is not good enough :)

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My area voted around 60% leave even though we benefit from the EU. People tend to feel the money has been wasted on vanity projects instead of being spent on projects to help lift people out of poverty. Labour around here love grants from anywhere they can get them and for what ever excuse they can find.

I'm sure the mothers have also been voting Labour, and if we keep the children poor they will most likely continue the trend.

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You can be sure any money saved from Brexit won't be heading to the Regions. It'll stay in the richest corner of the country. I'm afraid you've been misled. The EU was your safety net.

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Read my post again and look at the details, I was commenting on mines closed in the Rhondda. The picture in South Wales is probably not the same as other parts of the country, I spent some time researching closures in South Wales and quite a few closed for various reasons notably a lack of miners to run them. This was due to the availability of cleaner jobs such as Llanwern steelworks, Port Talbot and BP Llandarcy. Additionally some of the smaller mines had to close because they needed the miners for the larger mines due to the shortage of miners.

Here's the list of mines in the Rhondda with the closure dates, if you want to calculate who closed the most mines since WW2 go fill your boots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...hondda_Valleys

On a countrywide basis when I looked at figures a number of years ago for closures comparing the Conservative years (Thatcher/Heath) with Labour (Wilson/Callaghan) the number of mines closed and miners unemployed was a similar number.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/l...-mines-2401926

Quote:

ween 1963 and 1979, Labour governments closed a total of 303 collieries. Successive Conservative governments shut 162 mines. Even the left-of-centre Energy Minister, Tony Benn, recognised the economic argument and closed more coal mines than Margaret Thatcher and Michael Heseltine put together.

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I haven't been mislead by anyone, recycled Westminster money has been coming to the area via the EU to be wasted on vanity projects.

You mean we wont have any more "once in a lifetime", "One-off" Objective one funding to lift us out of poverty for a fourth time.