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nomadking 17-11-2019 19:20
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36017494)
Ofcom had a review over 2 years ago and found they were generally more expensive.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40848021

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...gy-meters.html
5p a day extra.:shocked:


So any current examples? People paying by direct debit, generally have cheaper tariffs as there are less costs involved. That will account for any differences.

jfman 17-11-2019 19:42
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Hitting those in poverty the hardest. Welcome to capitalism!

nomadking 17-11-2019 19:52
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36017502)
Hitting those in poverty the hardest. Welcome to capitalism!
The poor are the ones getting the freebies, all financed by capitalism.

jfman 17-11-2019 20:15
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36017503)
The poor are the ones getting the freebies, all financed by capitalism.
That’s no way to speak of the banks bailed out to the tune of billions.

Hugh 17-11-2019 20:21
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36017445)
I'm a BP member, but the BP has stood down the candidate as my town has a large Tory majority.

So I will for the fist time vote Tory.
I didn’t know there were any BP members, only registered supporters?

BP supporters cannot vote to choose candidates, or vote on BP policies, unlike members of other U.K. parties, yet the BP web page on ‘getting involved" states -
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GET INVOLVED

We rely on our supporters to fund this movement. Fighting the establishment doesn’t come cheap! They have most of the media, the government, the political parties, both House of Parliament, the Bank of England, the multinationals, the vested interest.

We just have supporters like you who believe in democracy, who believe that votes must be respected, who believe that democracy is too precious to give up for an unelected bureaucracy in Brussels

nomadking 17-11-2019 20:23
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36017507)
That’s no way to speak of the banks bailed out to the tune of billions.
It wasn't the banks as such that were bailed out, it was the banking system that was bailed out. That allows people to get personal loans, business loans, and mortgages. EG Northern Rock could no longer obtain the money to issue the mortgages. The banks losses originated from people borrowing money and not paying it back.

jfman 17-11-2019 20:56
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36017509)
It wasn't the banks as such that were bailed out, it was the banking system that was bailed out. That allows people to get personal loans, business loans, and mortgages. EG Northern Rock could no longer obtain the money to issue the mortgages. The banks losses originated from people borrowing money and not paying it back.
The banks/the banking system. It’s once and the same. Financial speculators creaming off profits from gambles year in year out then walking away when it all goes wrong.

The taxpayer (ironically) foots the bill having suffered the inflationary effects of the loans being issued in ten first place!

nomadking 17-11-2019 21:17
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36017511)
The banks/the banking system. It’s once and the same. Financial speculators creaming off profits from gambles year in year out then walking away when it all goes wrong.

The taxpayer (ironically) foots the bill having suffered the inflationary effects of the loans being issued in ten first place!
Link

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Alistair Darling’s words are ominous: ‘We are not out of this crisis yet.’ It is not a reassuring statement coming from the man who was Labour’s Chancellor of the Exchequer when the financial meltdown began five years ago this week.
...
What was in my mind at that point is that if people thought the biggest bank in the world had failed, there would not be a bank in the western world that would be safe.
‘The risk I have always seen is that people forget just how close we came to a complete collapse and the thing about a collapse of the banks is that it wouldn’t just have been the banks in ruins, it would have been complete economic and therefore social collapse. People without money can do nothing – you can’t buy your petrol, you can’t buy your food, anything.

jfman 17-11-2019 21:37
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36017512)
Thanks for proving my point.

Privatise the profits and nationalise the losses. These companies position themselves as “too big to fail” thus the state has to step in. As with failed train operators.

nomadking 17-11-2019 22:02
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36017513)
Thanks for proving my point.

Privatise the profits and nationalise the losses. These companies position themselves as “too big to fail” thus the state has to step in. As with failed train operators.
They still made losses. They paid taxes on any profits. The people who borrowed the money that wasn't paid back, made profits or were looking for a quick and easy profit. As the recently repeated documentary on Lehman Brothers revealed, it was the people on the ground who were faking documents and earning lots of commission. Some of that effect did pass back up the chain, but it was still the lowest levels initiating it all.

jfman 17-11-2019 22:11
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36017514)
They still made losses. They paid taxes on any profits. The people who borrowed the money that wasn't paid back, made profits or were looking for a quick and easy profit. As the recently repeated documentary on Lehman Brothers revealed, it was the people on the ground who were faking documents and earning lots of commission. Some of that effect did pass back up the chain, but it was still the lowest levels initiating it all.
Blaming the little guy as always. It’s quite unbecoming.

Carth 17-11-2019 22:19
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36017516)
Blaming the little guy as always. It’s quite unbecoming.
Whenever something goes wrong, there's always a fall guy

Chris 17-11-2019 23:17
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36017517)
Whenever something goes wrong, there's always a fall guy
Making Eastwood look a star?

Aye Up 18-11-2019 00:56
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Notice the Tories aren't doing many stump speeches...they are leaving the campaigning to Labour.....

Mr K 18-11-2019 07:48
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Originally Posted by Aye Up (Post 36017526)
Notice the Tories aren't doing many stump speeches...they are leaving the campaigning to Labour.....
They haven't got a very good record to defend. Relying on apathy, and fear of Labour is their only tactic.

However the status quo isn't always the safest option, particularly if you are ill...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ving-medicines
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The NHS is running short of dozens of lifesaving medicines including treatments for cancer, heart conditions and epilepsy, the Guardian has learned.

An internal 24-page document circulated to some doctors last Friday from the medicine supply team at the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), headed “commercial-sensitive”, listed many drugs currently hit by shortages at the NHS.

The document warned: “This information is confidential to the NHS, please do not upload to websites in the public domain.”
Oops !


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