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Ignitionnet 09-04-2011 13:34
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35209206)
I think he's in west london around twickenham area as i seem to remember that he whinged about the snow on the A4 not being cleared ,also the TW road being bad ,and i can't find any hospital anywhere in England that is laying off 350 staff ,maybe a group of hospitals under the management of a trust such as Leads but non local to Arthur
He's in Hounslow so would be referring to West Middlesex hospital.

http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/news/in...?news_id=13682

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The aim of the turnaround plan is to reduce this (1,921 jobs) by 261 posts over the next two years mainly through natural wastage and reducing reliance on temporary staff."

It has also been stated that the savings will largely be made from medical staff. The hospital has noted: "The savings in medical staff costs will be made from a reduction in the number of agency staff we use. These are being replaced by permanent staff, which improves the quality of service we are able to provide.”

martyh 09-04-2011 14:23
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35209216)
He's in Hounslow so would be referring to West Middlesex hospital.

http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/news/in...?news_id=13682

so it's not 350 jobs ,and it's not a immediate loss and most of the cuts are through natural wastage .I would also imagine that quite a few of the jobs are superfluous and were created to keep unemployment down

Sirius 09-04-2011 16:42
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35209222)
so it's not 350 jobs ,and it's not a immediate loss and most of the cuts are through natural wastage .I would also imagine that quite a few of the jobs are superfluous and were created to keep unemployment down
The same old Arthur bull excreter. No link to the information and no truth in the information given

TheDaddy 09-04-2011 18:26
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35209158)
Which Hospital is that then. 350 staff from one hospital is a hell of a lot of staff ???? And please Arthur answer the bloody question just for once in your life

Or if Arthur is unwilling to answer yet again, What area is Arthur in so we can chack on the facts
Perhaps he lives in Belfast that's losing 620 nurses this year alone, the scale of these cuts makes me wonder if we'll actually have a health service left once they are finished.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ose-50000-jobs

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35209256)
The same old Arthur bull excreter. No link to the information and no truth in the information given
Rather Arthurs BS than Dave's, "I promise not to cut NHS frontline services"...

Sirius 09-04-2011 19:56
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Rather Arthurs BS than Dave's, "I promise not to cut NHS frontline services"...
Would you like to explain how Labour would have continued to spend at the rate they were if they had stayed in power and where they would have got the money from to pay back all that money they had borrowed and spent and spent again and then spent some more. ???

Labour, NO Boom NO Bust , Yea right more like NO MONEY because we have spent it all :mad:

TheDaddy 09-04-2011 20:03
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35209326)
Would you like to explain how Labour would have continued to spend at the rate they were if they had stayed in power and where they would have got the money from to pay back all that money they had borrowed and spent and spent again and then spent some more. ???

Labour, NO Boom NO Bust , Yea right more like NO MONEY because we have spent it all :mad:
Err no I wouldn't because unlike you I have never voted Labour, you think this current government can get away with anything under the guise of cuts or something? Got news for you people aren't buying it.

Sirius 09-04-2011 20:09
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35209331)
Err no I wouldn't because unlike you I have never voted Labour, you think this current government can get away with anything under the guise of cuts or something? Got news for you people aren't buying it.
I voted Labour once and that was the first time the lying git Blair got in. I will never vote for them again as long as i draw breath

martyh 09-04-2011 20:15
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I seem to remember that when Blair gave the NHS a few extra billion in their budget he promised that it would not be for extra mangers but for nurses and doctors ,that proved not to be the case so i would say there is a lot of dead wood in the nhs that needs trimming ,probably in most other government run services as well

TheDaddy 09-04-2011 20:26
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35209335)
I seem to remember that when Blair gave the NHS a few extra billion in their budget he promised that it would not be for extra mangers but for nurses and doctors ,that proved not to be the case so i would say there is a lot of dead wood in the nhs that needs trimming ,probably in most other government run services as well
and I seem to remember Dave promising the extra couple of billion would be spent on management

The Tory-led government has asked parliament to vote an extra £1.8bn to pay for its big reorganisation of NHS management. This is wasted money which could pay for almost 15,000 nurses for the next three years."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ose-50000-jobs

martyh 09-04-2011 21:02
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35209343)
and I seem to remember Dave promising the extra couple of billion would be spent on management

The Tory-led government has asked parliament to vote an extra £1.8bn to pay for its big reorganisation of NHS management. This is wasted money which could pay for almost 15,000 nurses for the next three years."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ose-50000-jobs

That seems to be a very loaded article based on information from a union led website .Whilst i am not denying that there is some truth to it i wouldn't put too much stock in the information especially as some of the figures are only proposals.
On another note i would hope that the NHS is exploring other avenues of saving money such as with external contractors ,drug suppliers and not just taking the easy option of reducing staff

Chrysalis 09-04-2011 21:08
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35209195)
Yes we do need to dish out overseas aid, what a stupid thing to suggest that we should not dish out overseas aid - Overseas aid boosts UK reputation abroad, helps trade and industry overseas and helps to boost British exports and bring the UK extra revenue keeping people in jobs in this country.
it helps our reputation but I dont think it does jack for trade. Unless maybe the aid is used to buy weapons of us on the black market. In that case we just getting our money back.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35209361)
That seems to be a very loaded article based on information from a union led website .Whilst i am not denying that there is some truth to it i wouldn't put too much stock in the information especially as some of the figures are only proposals.
On another note i would hope that the NHS is exploring other avenues of saving money such as with external contractors ,drug suppliers and not just taking the easy option of reducing staff
my question is why is there front line job cuts when the tories claimed (a) the budget is ringfenced and (b) funds shifted 'to' the front line.

so where is the nhs money going now?

martyh 09-04-2011 21:15
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35209368)

my question is why is there front line job cuts when the tories claimed (a) the budget is ringfenced and (b) funds shifted 'to' the front line.

so where is the nhs money going now?

well they do insist that the savings will be pumped back into patient care ,so in a way the budget is ring fenced all they are trying to do i think is reduce the over staffing and make it run more efficiently, and lets face it the NHS is not known for efficiency and cost effectiveness

Hugh 09-04-2011 21:40
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35209343)
and I seem to remember Dave promising the extra couple of billion would be spent on management

The Tory-led government has asked parliament to vote an extra £1.8bn to pay for its big reorganisation of NHS management. This is wasted money which could pay for almost 15,000 nurses for the next three years."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ose-50000-jobs
There seems to be some confusion - the money is not being spent on management, it is being spent on getting rid of layers of management.

When you downsize the layers, you have to pay for redundancy/voluntary early retirement - unless of course you don't believe they should be treated the same as other workers.

TheDaddy 10-04-2011 04:24
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35209390)
When you downsize the layers, you have to pay for redundancy/voluntary early retirement - unless of course you don't believe they should be treated the same as other workers.
Of course they shouldn't be treated the same, what other far out views you got Hugh, equal treatment for women :D

Oh look at that, the polls neck and neck...

Sirius 10-04-2011 19:13
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35209158)
Which Hospital is that then. 350 staff from one hospital is a hell of a lot of staff ???? And please Arthur answer the bloody question just for once in your life

Or if Arthur is unwilling to answer yet again, What area is Arthur in so we can chack on the facts
I see Arthur did his usual trick. Post crap and then not respond with evidence when asked to


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