Black Lives Matter

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

From the LA Times four years ago...

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...htmlstory.html

Jesus, take the stick out your arse it is funny, and like all observational comedy has a ring of truth about it, but it is clearly satire.

My post and your immediate response, perfectly sums up the world right now.

Once we lose humour we lose it all.

There was another video I saw recently where a young lady also summed up perfectly the bollocks of it all. When she said.

“ As a white person I’m not allowed to have a voice on race, but then if I don’t speak out I’m considered part of the problem”.......:..:

[richard s]

All Lives Matter! so we cannot say or or display print that says White Lives Matter... The aircraft towing a banner are NF, Britain First or right wing fascists were at the controls according to the press, TV news stations.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Pierre

A public service film for our oppressed friends

https://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8

The assertion was made that Floyd didn't need to be restrained and it doesn't happen to White people. Both points proven to be FAKE news.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by richard s

All Lives Matter! so we cannot say or or display print that says White Lives Matter... The aircraft towing a banner are NF, Britain First or right wing fascists were at the controls according to the press, TV news stations.

You are being obtuse, richard. We already accept that white lives matter. However, there are too many people who don't think that black lives do.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The assertion was made that Floyd didn't need to be restrained and it doesn't happen to White people. Both points proven to be FAKE news.

The point is that by the time Floyd was out of the car he was NOT resisting arrest. All they needed to do was to handcuff him.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Jesus, take the stick out your arse it is funny, and like all observational comedy has a ring of truth about it, but it is clearly satire.

My post and your immediate response, perfectly sums up the world right now.

Once we lose humour we lose it all.

There was another video I saw recently where a young lady also summed up perfectly the bollocks of it all. When she said.

“ As a white person I’m not allowed to have a voice on race, but then if I don’t speak out I’m considered part of the problem”.......:..:

A) ah, but the problem is a lot of people don’t see it as satire...

B) That’s complete rubbish - the problem is that a considerable number of people don’t think there’s a problem, and that’s their "voice on race".

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are being obtuse, richard. We already accept that white lives matter. However, there are too many people who don't think that black lives do.

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The point is that by the time Floyd was out of the car he was NOT resisting arrest. All they needed to do was to handcuff him.

Handcuffed doesn't mean you are immobile. You can still thrash around and/or spit on people. One of the 2 non-White officers was kneeling on his chest.
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It is known that death from positional asphyxia can emerge in several ways, such as the external breathing suppression when the victim‘s torso is compressed or deformed.
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A certain restricted posture of the neck (e.g., hyperflexion or hyperextension) can cause partial or complete airway obstruction. Lastly, the compression or flexion of the torso reduces total lung volume, functional residual capacity and pulmonary expansion, eventually making breathing ineffective

Being handcuffed with your arms behind your back probably also doesn't help. Try it with your own arms behind your back(no need to get out the handcuffs)



It was up to the one or both of the other officers to determine when it was ok to try and get him back in the car. They were the ones with the initial arrest, and they were the ones getting him out of the car. He had to be forcibly removed from the vehicle he was in. That clearly was an indication he wasn't coming quietly and peacefully.


The pressure on his neck can't have been that great, as he can be seen easily moving his jaw and head to a reasonable degree.



Of course a non-white officer actually being responsible doesn't fit the agenda.


The defence lawyers should also be able to figure these things out, which should make the results of any trial interesting.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

A) ah, but the problem is a lot of people don’t see it as satire...

Who exactly? Were polls taken? After every episode of Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, and pretty much every comedy show, are polls taken to make sure the audience understand that it is comedy?

No they are not, the quote from the LA times you posted is 1no. Persons opinion piece. It is not “a lot if people”. I don’t even know what you consider “a lot” to be? Ev3n the author of the post you quoted uses vague terms such as “some” people. Is their “some” equal to your “ a lot”


It’s tripe. And you should know better at your age.

B) That’s complete rubbish - the problem is that a considerable number of people don’t think there’s a problem, and that’s their "voice on race".

So if I, for example, had an opinion as a white middle aged male, a considered and objective opinion on the matter. That did not fit with the BLM narrative. Then I could express that, no problem, I wouldn’t be attacked, I would be listened to, objectively, and if and were appropriate challenged in a non-violent and threatening way?

Bollocks Hugh and you know it.

[downquark1]

I think the consensus is that while the force used was within proceedure for subduing someone and wouldn't normally kill someone, the about of time he did it while he was pleading for help was criminally negligent hence the second degree murder charge.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

So if I, for example, had an opinion as a white middle aged male, a considered and objective opinion on the matter. That did not fit with the BLM narrative. Then I could express that, no problem, I wouldn’t be attacked, I would be listened to, objectively, and if and were appropriate challenged in a non-violent and threatening way?

Bollocks Hugh and you know it.

I guarantee you people of any race who themselves aren't very left wing or explicitly hate Britain think we are crazy for putting up with this.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by downquark1

They think that the BBC's constitutional obligation to host him is an endorsement.

There's no constitutional need to have someone from an obscure party with no MPs on speed dial last time I checked. But I digress.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

So if I, for example, had an opinion as a white middle aged male, a considered and objective opinion on the matter. That did not fit with the BLM narrative. Then I could express that, no problem, I wouldn’t be attacked, I would be listened to, objectively, and if and were appropriate challenged in a non-violent and threatening way?

I can imagine some people being a bit flaky and not expressing their views openly but I can't see you being one of them.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by downquark1

I think the consensus is that while the force used was within proceedure for subduing someone and wouldn't normally kill someone, the about of time he did it while he was pleading for help was criminally negligent hence the second degree murder charge.

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I guarantee you people of any race who themselves aren't very left wing or explicitly hate Britain think we are crazy for putting up with this.

But as I've pointed out, the real problem would've been the non-white officer kneeling on his chest, yet unsurprisingly he's not facing the more serious charges.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

There's no constitutional need to have someone from an obscure party with no MPs on speed dial last time I checked. But I digress.

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I can imagine some people being a bit flaky and not expressing their views openly but I can't see you being one of them.

It's one thing expressing views in a relatively anonymous forum such as this, but try it less anonymously and more openly and see what happens.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

But as I've pointed out, the real problem would've been the non-white officer kneeling on his chest, yet unsurprisingly he's not facing the more serious charges.

Is this the chap who was only in his 2nd week on the job? Accessory to murder is a hefty charge for an American police officer. I don't think they are getting away leniently.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by downquark1

Is this the chap who was only in his 2nd week on the job? Accessory to murder is a hefty charge for an American police officer. I don't think they are getting away leniently.

Compared to Chauvin and second degree murder for which he isn't responsible?

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Compared to Chauvin and second degree murder for which he isn't responsible?

He was the commanding officer, there's good reason to take him as responsible.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by downquark1

He was the commanding officer, there's good reason to take him as responsible.

That's not the reason though. It's because 1) it's being made all about the neck, 2) he's white. Where else has it been said that pressure on the chest was the source of the problem? The other non-white officer(Thao) involved was just standing there. He is the one who was in the position of being free to assess matters. All Chauvin could've done is ask the others if he was stable enough to allow up. The relative positions were a result of how the situation arose. The 2 inexperienced officers were the ones with the initial arrest and pulled him out of the patrol car.

The reasons for it NOT being about heavy pressure on the neck are, 1) he wouldn't have been able to say anything at all(talking requires that you move air, ie breathe, through the larynx), 2) he can be seen moving his jaw to talk, 3) he can be seen moving his head slightly.

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The other white officer

A criminology graduate from the University of Minnesota, Mr Lane used to work as a guard at a juvenile detention centre and volunteered to mentor Somali school children.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But for some viewers, this context has been lost and the old video has taken on a strange second life as a rallying point that allows some people to avoid the difficult discussion of racism.]

I think Hugh just won the prize for the best post of the modern era