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papa smurf · 09-01-2019, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Did you even read the article?

Strange as it may seem, disagreeing with you does not equate to "destroying democracy".

Language like that spurs extremists on, making them think that violence is an acceptable alternative.

When i need your opinion i'll ask for it

djfunkdup · 09-01-2019, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Hugh

disagreeing with you does not equate to "destroying democracy".

Language like that spurs extremists on, making them think that violence is an acceptable alternative.

Bless... nice try

Mythica · 09-01-2019, 21:13

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

When i need your opinion i'll ask for it

All you had to say is no, I didn't read the article, no need to get shirty about it.

**Mick** · 09-01-2019, 21:20

How many times do I or the team have to repeat myself - personal attacks will not be tolerated against other members, so pack it in...Christmas holidays may be over but the forum breaks lists aren't, if you get added, off you go for a while.

**Chris** · 09-01-2019, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Damien

A General Election needs permission from Parliament though.

Corbyn has already stated that he prefers a general election to a second referendum. It would be pretty difficult for him to whip his MPs against it.

To be honest, even though Parliament now technically has control of the timing of elections, if asked, how could any leader of the opposition be seen to be running away from one?

jfman · 09-01-2019, 21:50

An election in early April doesn’t solve the problem for Brexiteers.

After a week of chaos a new Government elected by landslide could in theory negotiate EEA, Norway or similar deal with the EU (perhaps even reinstating freedom of movement). With five years in Government before anyone can do anything about it. The Labour Party are a membership driven party after all...

**Mick** · 09-01-2019, 21:58

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Originally Posted by jfman

An election in early April doesn’t solve the problem for Brexiteers.

After a week of chaos a new Government elected by landslide could in theory negotiate EEA, Norway or similar deal with the EU (perhaps even reinstating freedom of movement). With five years in Government before anyone can do anything about it. The Labour Party are a membership driven party after all...

What makes you think people will stomach a democratic process, when one they voted on two years ago is getting thwarted, there will be a mass boycott of the electorate and quite rightly !!!

Former House Speaker, Baroness Betty Boothroyd was reportedly overheard in the corridors of Parliament today, saying Bercow’s actions were “disgusting” and an “absolute and utter disgrace”.

I do miss Betty, the current occupant of the seat is an odious little cretin.

jfman · 09-01-2019, 22:07

You yourself said the strongest action you will take is abstain from voting. People can put up with a lot. Rather versatile in times of adversity.

**Mick** · 09-01-2019, 22:11

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Originally Posted by jfman

You yourself said the strongest action you will take is abstain from voting. People can put up with a lot. Rather versatile in times of adversity.

They will not tolerate living in a dictatorship and their democratic will being thwarted. Something you are selfishly happy to see.

jfman · 09-01-2019, 22:12

I’m not being selfish. Crash out into recession is financially the best thing that could happen to me.

Sephiroth · 09-01-2019, 22:13

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Originally Posted by jfman

An election in early April doesn’t solve the problem for Brexiteers.

After a week of chaos a new Government elected by landslide could in theory negotiate EEA, Norway or similar deal with the EU (perhaps even reinstating freedom of movement). With five years in Government before anyone can do anything about it. The Labour Party are a membership driven party after all...

… of 18 - 23 year old know nothings.

**Mick** · 09-01-2019, 22:20

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Originally Posted by jfman

I’m not being selfish. Crash out into recession is financially the best thing that could happen to me.

That's just Negative Remainer fantasy. How many times do I have to say, there is huge financial potential with the prospect of 90%, yes that's 90% of future trade growth with the WORLD, you know the bit outside of the Corrupted, cancerous EU which is just 10% and declining!!!! ???

**Damien** · 09-01-2019, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Chris

Corbyn has already stated that he prefers a general election to a second referendum. It would be pretty difficult for him to whip his MPs against it.

To be honest, even though Parliament now technically has control of the timing of elections, if asked, how could any leader of the opposition be seen to be running away from one?

I think there are enough Remainers, or at least people who want a deal before leaving, in Parliament that will prevent her from doing via the Fixed Terms Parliament act, remember she'll need Tories to back her in that case too.

If I've done the maths right they will need 434 votes to call an election. (2/3s of 650, abstentions still count).

All opposition MPs = 333. Leaving 101 Tory MPs needed assuming every single other MP votes for the election and that's a bit unlikely IMO if this the obviously the game that they perceive May to be playing. Liberal Democrats could abstain? More Tories needed. SNP abstain? More still and so on.

Would over 100 Tories MPs be willing to detonate themselves in such a fashion? To facilitate a no deal Brexit and possibly hand it over to Corbyn?

Instead I think they would try a vote of no confidence but that doesn't get the delay you would need since in that circumstance someone else could form a government which I think would happen if only to delay Article 50 before calling the actual General Election again.

1andrew1 · 09-01-2019, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Mick

That's just Negative Remainer fantasy. How many times do I have to say, there is huge financial potential with the prospect of 90%, yes that's 90% of future trade growth with the WORLD, you know the bit outside of the Corrupted, cancerous EU which is just 10% and declining!!!! ???

Nothing to stop us doing business with China, India, Vietnam, etc at the moment.

jfman · 09-01-2019, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Mick

That's just Negative Remainer fantasy. How many times do I have to say, there is huge financial potential with the prospect of 90%, yes that's 90% of future trade growth with the WORLD, you know the bit outside of the Corrupted, cancerous EU which is just 10% and declining!!!! ???

Yet nobody has presented a plan to realise this potential? Indeed, if we leave with Norway model or May’s deal we may not be able to negotiate such deals at all.

The key to “smooth” WTO transition is to reduce tariffs to zero unilaterally, which means we have no bargaining chips for our exports.

As I’ve said before Brexit requires a five year plan at minimum. However we both know it’s about freedom of movement and not economics. So the point is moot.