Child grooming gang found guilty

Yes i did watch it and like you got quite angry at the attitude of some on the program.

Come on don't you know that it's always the victims fault.

To some in our society it is and always will be easier to put the blame at the feet of the victim because they are too lazy\gutless to accept and tackle a problem. Personally it shouldn't matter if women\girls wanted to walk down the street naked they should be able to do so without unwanted and unwarranted sexual harassment and assault although i will admit they would attract some attention in that extreme situation. These girls were broken in whatever way and it is the duty and responsibility of adults to help not abuse that and these despicable examples of humanity chose to abuse personally there is no jail term sufficient for that.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Seems to me that by saying it's racial detracts from the crime.It also seems to make an offence that allegedly racial in nature worse than if it is just a run of the mill murder/rape/mugging..It's as if it has a deeper degree of offence because of the racial element.There really shouldn't be any degree of difference.

I see what you are saying Maggie and i do agree ,there are not different levels of rape .I don't think that racial motivation (if that was the case in this instance)should be ignored though ,it shouldn't be counted in sentencing but should be dealt with as a separate issue in criminal cases .Using this case as an example wouldn't it have been better to try the cases as rape cases, sentence and then have a separate trial for the race issue to either prove or disprove ,and then sentence accordingly ,that way at least the rape isn't muddied and forgotten about

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

Did anyone see last nights Question Time? I watched in anger as Peter Oborne and an audience member put most of the blame on the victims / parents / BNP, anyone but the paedophile rapists.

Forward to the 11 minute mark to watch.

Just watched the portion dealing with this case ,thanks for the link ,but it does seem that a few people have their heads buried in the sand .

I think it unfair to say that Peter Oborne and the vicar where blaming the victims .They are merely questioning how young girls manage to get tempted into situations like this ,and quite frankly they are right to question it because i have seen young girls in Newcastle town center on friday and saturday nights and have wondered what their parents are thinking ,and the fact that some of these girls where in council care at the time just raises more questions about our care system ,and for Caroline Spellman to suggest that the social services or parents would be acting "inhumane"(time 29.30) in stopping young girls going out late at night is a taster of the problem Yes it was a horrendous thing that these men did but there are wider issues in society to look at as well and must not be buried

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by martyh

I think it unfair to say that Peter Oborne and the vicar where blaming the victims .They are merely questioning how young girls manage to get tempted into situations like this ,and quite frankly they are right to question it because i have seen young girls in Newcastle town center on friday and saturday nights and have wondered what their parents are thinking ,and the fact that some of these girls where in council care at the time just raises more questions about our care system ,and for Caroline Spellman to suggest that the social services or parents would be acting "inhumane"(time 29.30) in stopping young girls going out late at night is a taster of the problem Yes it was a horrendous thing that these men did but there are wider issues in society to look at as well and must not be buried

There has to be a strong focus on this. We need to ensure that our children are not continuously placed in positions where they are vunerable to abuse. There is a massive social challenge to undertake, we need to invest in a level of education, as well as a process that imporves the care, and self esteem of vunerable children.

[Jimmy-J]

Police who smashed the Rochdale child
sex ring believe they have uncovered a
SECOND grooming scandal in the town.
The M.E.N. can today reveal that several
men have been arrested on suspicion of
sexually abusing the same girl.
The alleged abuse is believed to have
taken place over a six-year period when
the girl was in her teens.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...ng-in-rochdale

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

There has to be a strong focus on this. We need to ensure that our children are not continuously placed in positions where they are vunerable to abuse. There is a massive social challenge to undertake, we need to invest in a level of education, as well as a process that imporves the care, and self esteem of vunerable children.

Sadly with cutbacks in the public sector I suspect that these cases are only going to increase.

[Tezcatlipoca]

"Foreign paedos taking work from White British paedos, claim EDL and BNP"

Originally Posted by NewsThump

Far right organisations such as the British National party and the English Defence League (EDL) have used the recent conviction of nine men of Pakistani heritage to highlight that hard-working British paedophiles are struggling to compete.

The BNP have warned that British paedophiles are in danger of ending up on the scrapheap unless something is done.

“When you’ve got foreign paedos coming over here and grooming our kids it becomes harder for our own paedos to compete,� insisted a BNP spokesracist.

“The case in Rochdale clearly shows that all foreigners that come to this country are paedophiles.�

“How are UK nonces supposed to cope with that sort of competition?�

(snip)

[TheDaddy]

Trevor Phillips seems to think race was relevant in this case

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-relevant.html

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Trevor Phillips seems to think race was relevant in this case

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-relevant.html

speaks a lot of sense imo.It's strange how it's only the white officials,i.e government/judge/police etc who are saying it's not a racist issue when everyone else including the defendants are saying it is

Except the defendants are saying it is being racist against them because they are Pakistani, whilst others are saying the defendants are being racist by preying on white girls - different things....

Originally Posted by Hugh

Except the defendants are saying it is being racist against them because they are Pakistani, whilst others are saying the defendants are being racist by preying on white girls - different things....

some of the defendants told the police on arrest that it was racially motivated ,the judge in court mentioned it on sentencing but said it wasn't so dismissed it

"If anybody in any of the agencies that are supposed to be caring for these children - schools, social services and so on - took the view that being aggressively interventionalist to save these children would lead to the demonisation of some group because of the ethnicity ... then it is a national scandal and something that would need to be dealt with urgently," he said.

And where did the authorities get this idea from.Possibly from past experiences in dealing with the Commission for Equality and Human Rights?From those who are quick to shout the racist issue at the drop of a hat?
Perhaps more clarity is needed and better direction from the Commission might be more helpful.
Maybe less concentration on race might be the answer so we arrive at a situation where the crime and the victims are seen not the colour of their skin and their ethnic grouping/religion.

These girls were picked on because they were available and vulnerable.Focusing on the colour of their skin makes the crime no more and no less heinous.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

.Focusing on the colour of their skin makes the crime no more and no less heinous.

Yes we know ,but if there is a underlying racist issue then that needs to be addressed .What if some of the Asian community like the wifes,friends of the defendants knew this was happened but turned a blind eye because "they are only white girls and dress provocatively so deserve it",do you realy think that should be ignored or treated any less seriously

Originally Posted by martyh

Yes we know ,but if there is a underlying racist issue then that needs to be addressed .What if some of the Asian community like the wifes,friends of the defendants knew this was happened but turned a blind eye because "they are only white girls and dress provocatively so deserve it",do you realy think that should be ignored or treated any less seriously

So tell me this.Why is a racially motivated crime deemed MORE important than say white on white crime?Or black on black? Or Asian on Asian?