Deportation of illegal migrants

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Should rename it bullfact or something close to that

I can't see they've done anything left or right wing here. They've just said that there's no Home Office data but there is a survey. It wasn't worded particularly very well so posters on here assumed that because there was no Home Office data, FullFact had made it up.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

The way things are going i have my doubts the pilot will be on the plane

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

I don’t agree with the Rwanda plan, on the simple terms that it is not cost effective, however, I can’t let this ridiculous assertion from you slip.

It’s not racist to protect our borders. It’s not racist to challenge people coming here illegally, yes, illegally.

And it’s certainly not racist to discourage hundreds of thousands to cross a dangerous shipping lane to get here, we also need to get the people smugglers out of business.

On the the grounds of compassion, by all means-Process their application, if they are not genuine asylum seekers, they need to be booted out, not end spending years in this country at tax payers expense, trying to travel through every loophole they can find, we have enough freeloaders in this country as it is.

I agree, it’s not racist to protect our borders. However, the ones that come across the channel in small boats are mostly from the Middle East and do not have access to a legal channel through which to claim asylum in the UK hence the attempts made via boats. The Ukrainians refugees, in contrast, have been given a legal route to the UK.

To sum up, even if a Ukrainian, for some reason, decided to travel to the UK via boat without a Visa/Permission To Travel Letter there is no way they would be on that plane.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Where they are unnecessarily putting themselves in danger, when they are currently in a safe situation, clearly demonstrates "WANT" rather than "NEED". At that point they can no longer claim to be seeking safety.
About time common sense was applied.

Ianch99 and MrK urgently need to disagree with with you!

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There's not a scintilla of racism in me - let's make that clear.
All those actually granted asylum are most welcome.

I object to fit young men, leaving their country, passing through many safe countries, intending to draw on our benefits system for their own benefit.

I also object to the people trafficking that allows them to leave France, something French law enforcement does little (so it appears) extinguish .

I object to us not knowing which of those illegal migrants are terrorist in nature.

I object to illegal immigrants who purposefully destroy their means of identification; their bona fides must be questionable.

My remarks are directed at the illegal migrants; the ones granted asylum are not my target.

Btw, where do they get their money from to pay the traffickers? I'll lower myself even more in your estimation - I smell the whiff of Saudi Arabia or Iran (take your choice).

I am not accusing you of being racist, only that you seem to support a policy that has all the hallmarks of such. As I mentioned to Mick, you will not see any Ukrainians on these flights even if, for some reason, they arrive here by small boat.

You are normally cogent in your arguments but this project, as Mick points out is much more expensive that processing these peoples in the UK so I am puzzled why you are in support?

Lastly, can you provide the evidence that underwrites your deductions that these people are a) illegal b) economical migrants and c) terrorists and d) sponsored by militant Islam?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I agree, it’s not racist to protect our borders. However, the ones that come across the channel in small boats are mostly from the Middle East and do not have access to a legal channel through which to claim asylum in the UK hence the attempts made via boats. The Ukrainians refugees, in contrast, have been given a legal route to the UK.

To sum up, even if a Ukrainian, for some reason, decided to travel to the UK via boat without a Visa/Permission To Travel Letter there is no way they would be on that plane.

Then they should claim asylum in one of the safe countries through which they have passed while they still have their documents (which they needed to pass through).

Why haven't you addressed the matter of thrown away documentation and the reasons that may be behind this?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Ianch99 and MrK urgently need to disagree with with you!

Is this a £5 or £10 argument?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Then they should claim asylum in one of the safe countries through which they have passed while they still have their documents (which they needed to pass through)

Why should they if they only speak English and/or they have relatives or friends here? There is no legal obligation for this.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Why haven't you addressed the matter of thrown away documentation and the reasons that may be behind this?

Again, where your evidence for this?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Is this a £5 or £10 argument?

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Why should they if they only speak English and/or they have relatives or friends here? There is no legal obligation for this.



Again, where your evidence for this?

For a start Nigel Farage's video showing them dumping their mobile phones into the sea.

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/nigel-far...rcepted/285414

Are you seriously asserting that the bulk of male migrants without documentation haven't thrown them away?

[Jaymoss]

It is obvious to any reasonable person they dump their documents so they can not be sent home. No docs = no idea where they are from so where would you send them. Now they have an answer send them to Africa. I wonder how many of the bleeding hearts would be willing to put a few up and feed them and so on. Can be sure it is not many

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

For a start Nigel Farage's video showing them dumping their mobile phones into the sea.

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/nigel-far...rcepted/285414

Are you seriously asserting that the bulk of male migrants without documentation haven't thrown them away?

That makes them spies in my book.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

It is obvious to any reasonable person they dump their documents so they can not be sent home. No docs = no idea where they are from so where would you send them. Now they have an answer send them to Africa. I wonder how many of the bleeding hearts would be willing to put a few up and feed them and so on. Can be sure it is not many

"bleeding hearts"? God, you are special.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

For a start Nigel Farage's video showing them dumping their mobile phones into the sea.

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/nigel-far...rcepted/285414

Are you seriously asserting that the bulk of male migrants without documentation haven't thrown them away?

Farage, the author of the racist "Breaking Point" Brexit poster, is your evidence? Again, where is your proof that significant numbers of asylum seekers throw away their documentation?

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am not accusing you of being racist, only that you seem to support a policy that has all the hallmarks of such. As I mentioned to Mick, you will not see any Ukrainians on these flights even if, for some reason, they arrive here by small boat.

You are normally cogent in your arguments but this project, as Mick points out is much more expensive that processing these peoples in the UK so I am puzzled why you are in support?

Lastly, can you provide the evidence that underwrites your deductions that these people are a) illegal b) economical migrants and c) terrorists and d) sponsored by militant Islam?

Again, it’s not a racist policy, to send asylum seekers to Rwanda, the legal challenges to stop tonight’s flight have failed, just today, the UK Supreme Court approved the flight can go ahead, if there was any hint of racism attached to the plan, it would be deemed absolutely illegal.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Farage, the author of the racist "Breaking Point" Brexit poster, is your evidence? Again, where is your proof that significant numbers of asylum seekers throw away their documentation?

That statement could be correct but as it stands has no statistical basis. We've seen one person on a boat of 40 throw their phone over board.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mick

I don’t agree with the Rwanda plan, on the simple terms that it is not cost effective, however, I can’t let this ridiculous assertion from you slip.

It’s not racist to protect our borders. It’s not racist to challenge people coming here illegally, yes, illegally.

And it’s certainly not racist to discourage hundreds of thousands to cross a dangerous shipping lane to get here, we also need to get the people smugglers out of business.

On the the grounds of compassion, by all means-Process their application, if they are not genuine asylum seekers, they need to be booted out, not end spending years in this country at tax payers expense, trying to travel through every loophole they can find, we have enough freeloaders in this country as it is.

Pritti might have changed this recently, but if not, it's never been illegal to try and enter the UK, source https://ecre.org/uk-january-channel-...fully%E2%80%9D


I'd also agree, it's not a racism issue, it's a humanitarian issue

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

That statement could be correct but as it stands has no statistical basis. We've seen one person on a boat of 40 throw their phone over board.

It stands to reason that those who throw their documents away and they do, do it, are not genuine asylum seekers. They’re playing the system, causing a ruckus with genuine asylum claims.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mick

Again, it’s not a racist policy, to send asylum seekers to Rwanda.

There is a racist element to this whole thing, but it’s not that.

If say the Government had declared they had done a deal with Canada, and they were going to send them to Canada. There would not be anything like the furore that there is now.

It’s because people think that Rwanda is beneath the “Asylum Seekers”, which is a bit Racist.