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Old 09-05-2021, 10:20   #4036
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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So Nicola, big head, small body, Sturgeon, makes no overall progress, since she took reigns of the SNP. No overall majority, again, sure they will be in bed with the Greens, in the Scottish Parliament, but and I borrow the rule from the EU Referendum Remainers rule book, the vote share for Tories, Labour and Lib Dem’s, essentially, anti-independence parties, beat the vote share of the separatist parties. Such a crying shame.
Then you have to count the 37% who didn't vote and assume they wanted to keep the union together and it's a none starter for a second ref.
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Old 09-05-2021, 10:38   #4037
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

When it comes down to it, is there much of a downside for England to finally kick out Scotland? It would depend on how soft England was in any agreements, eg would we be still expected to financially prop up Scotland for the next 1,000 years?
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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When it comes down to it, is there much of a downside for England to finally kick out Scotland? It would depend on how soft England was in any agreements, eg would we be still expected to financially prop up Scotland for the next 1,000 years?
There would very much be a downside. Nothing good would come of breaking up the Union.

Once this pandemic is over, I have high hopes for what the country can achieve economically, if we can focus on that for a few years and not get bogged down with an independence argument, I’m sure the country will benefit as a whole and perhaps independence may drop in importance.
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There would very much be a downside. Nothing good would come of breaking up the Union.

Once this pandemic is over, I have high hopes for what the country can achieve economically, if we can focus on that for a few years and not get bogged down with an independence argument, I’m sure the country will benefit as a whole and perhaps independence may drop in importance.
I'm worried that we pour a fortune into Scotland to build it back better then the separatists claim responsibility and drag the country out of the union and into poverty, then we are left with a begging bowl culture attached to England, it's very hard to turn your back on such close friends but what else could we do when it all goes wrong for them.
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Old 09-05-2021, 11:03   #4040
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There would very much be a downside. Nothing good would come of breaking up the Union.

Once this pandemic is over, I have high hopes for what the country can achieve economically, if we can focus on that for a few years and not get bogged down with an independence argument, I’m sure the country will benefit as a whole and perhaps independence may drop in importance.
Such as? England is a lot less dependent on Scotland. It's not as if goods to/from the EU have to pass through Scotland. There would be complications with citizenship and the border, but once done that is it.

Scotland runs a deficit, even in the "good times", therefore there is no economic benefit from Scotland.

Anything Scotland needs from England, they would still need.

It's not mutually exclusive that all Scots that vote for the Union to remain, actually want the Union to remain. They are being pragmatic in that they get so many freebies as a result. Finally be brave enough to take away their unfair freebies, and see their attitudes change.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Then you have to count the 37% who didn't vote and assume they wanted to keep the union together and it's a none starter for a second ref.
So we can also assume those that didn't vote in Brexit referendum didn't want Brexit?
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So we can also assume those that didn't vote in Brexit referendum didn't want Brexit?
You already did
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

All the BBC are doing is keep going on about NS calling for a second once in a lifetime referendum for independence as they have a majority for one.


But the actual figures across the board are pro union.
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All the BBC are doing is keep going on about NS calling for a second once in a lifetime referendum for independence as they have a majority for one.


But the actual figures across the board are pro union.
No worries with letting them have another vote then. It's a foregone conclusion...
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No worries with letting them have another vote then. It's a foregone conclusion...
But what about their share of the national debt, that should be calculated to a per person amount and published so that they know the amount of financial pain they will have to endure to fulfil Nicola's dream.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Scotland cannot afford to break away.

They would end up having to pay for prescriptions, university fees to start.

Plus NS seems to have forgotten that more people live in London than in Scotland.

In regard to the base in Scotland, that I guess employs loads of locals. We simply relocate to the south of the border and ban any Scots person from working there under security reasons, and employ Brits. Redundancy payments won't be an issue as they aren't British Citizens.

Let NS worry about the newly unemployed, it will be her problem not ours.
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Scotland cannot afford to break away.

They would end up having to pay for prescriptions, university fees to start.

Plus NS seems to have forgotten that more people live in London than in Scotland.

In regard to the base in Scotland, that I guess employs loads of locals. We simply relocate to the south of the border and ban any Scots person from working there under security reasons, and employ Brits. Redundancy payments won't be an issue as they aren't British Citizens.

Let NS worry about the newly unemployed, it will be her problem not ours.

they should be billed for the cost of any move of the base which would not be cheap, but no worries they have the magic money well.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

How our flag will look if NS gets her way.


Perhaps we could change the Scottish Blue, to Welsh Green instead?
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How our flag will look if NS gets her way.


Perhaps we could change the Scottish Blue, to Welsh Green instead?
I think green would look nicer personally.

Re: the pro-union vote, folks are assuming all Labour/ Lib voters would vote No in a referendum. When faced with being ruled by Boris from London, it only takes a small percentage of them to choose canny Nicola from Edinburgh instead.
Hence the paranoia about another vote: the unpopularity of the PM in Scotland could swing it.
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I'm worried that we pour a fortune into Scotland to build it back better then the separatists claim responsibility and drag the country out of the union and into poverty, then we are left with a begging bowl culture attached to England, it's very hard to turn your back on such close friends but what else could we do when it all goes wrong for them.
"Our friends in Scotland", eh?
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