Coronavirus - Page 51

**Paul** · 04-11-2020, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

[COLOR="Blue"]The bloody supermarkets are up to their nanny state activities again.
Does anyone know what the legal or guideline basis is for only one person per household allowed into the store?

Just queue separately, dont tell them you are the same household.

1andrew1 · 04-11-2020, 15:54

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Ah - I hadn't thought of that (not that the good Wokingham lot would do such a thing!).

Back in March, Waitrose said it's for social distancing reasons.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a9436236.html

OLD BOY · 04-11-2020, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Paul

Just queue separately, dont tell them you are the same household.

Exactly. How would they know?

joglynne · 04-11-2020, 17:21

Lockdown formally approved by the Commons.

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MPs voted for a second lockdown by 516 votes to 38 as Covid deaths more than doubled in a fortnight.

Lockdown measures from tomorrow will include forcing non-essential retail shops, gyms and hospitality venues to close. Schools and universities will stay open.

At least 20 Tory MPs were prepared to vote against the measures but the Prime Minister could rely on votes from the opposition.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/130513...cond-lockdown/

**Mick** · 04-11-2020, 17:30

That was an awkward moment for Boris, when former PM Theresa May stood to her feet for her intervention and Boris got up and walked out.

heero_yuy · 04-11-2020, 17:31

My local was selling the remaining open beers at half price to empty the barrels rather than throw it down the drain. A bonus for those who like bitters, Guinness and IPA

Only lager that was on was Coors.

joglynne · 04-11-2020, 17:37

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Originally Posted by Mick

That was an awkward moment for Boris, when former PM Theresa May stood to her feet for her intervention and Boris got up and walked out.

I was watching and he actually was already on his way out of the chamber when she started talking. I suspect that he knew what she was about to say.

Another thing has been allowed from to-day which hopefully will allow a lot of people to see family is ....

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Families can now visit their loved ones in care homes as government lifts ban for national lockdown.

Families of care home residents will be allowed to visit their loved ones during national lockdown.

After months of campaigning from families and charities, the government has issued fresh guidance allowing visits which are 'tailored to residents and staff's safety to limit the transmission of Covid-19'.

Visitors will wear PPE and social distance, while care homes must implement measures like perspex screens, window visits and special visiting pods - arrangements many care homes already have in place and ready to go.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ester-19221367

Other local articles are available but I have just posed my local one.

Jimmy-J · 04-11-2020, 20:43

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Nine months of separation. Qualified nurse looking to take her mother home and care for her - ARRESTED

https://twitter.com/rightsforresid2/...10251931234304

BenMcr · 04-11-2020, 20:51

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

https://twitter.com/rightsforresid2/...10251931234304

And if you follow the rest of the Tweets it doesn't seem to be directly Covid-19 related but a welfare concern.

https://twitter.com/claytonbuckland/...208979456?s=21

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She was arrested for an allegation of abduction obviously by that Guy there from the Nursing home. The Police have to arrest in these serious circumstances whilst they confirm the truth. She was dearrested when true facts came out. Police acted according to Law

nomadking · 04-11-2020, 21:16

73-year-old retired nurse, trying to move a 97-year-old dementia suffering woman. Not a great idea.

Pierre · 04-11-2020, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

https://twitter.com/rightsforresid2/...10251931234304

Yeah it’s all over Facebook but dive deeper.

The local authority are responsible for her, the family are not.

Legally if the Local Authority let her go they would be liable if anything happened. The family could have applied to the court, over many months, to take her out of LA care and into their care, but they didn’t and then trying to take her without any authority left the LA with no choice.

It looks bad, but it is the families own doing.

**Paul** · 04-11-2020, 22:20

Oh look, people using [anti] Social Media to spread misinformation, I'm shocked.

jfman · 04-11-2020, 23:37

FBPE Blue Ticks must be losing money now that The Guardian is giving time to senile former judge Sumption to promote herd immunity.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-mental-health

Here's an article criticising covid restrictions by Sumption from September:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/lord-s...herings-fines/

Indeed he even described the situation in March as 'hysteria':

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1584

**Paul** · 05-11-2020, 00:03

Well of course, if jfman disagrees it must be wrong/bad/whatever.

Maybe in your world everyone thinks there is nothing wrong with lockdowns and a police state enforcing them. In mine, not so much.

The response to this virus has been nothing short of hysterical, destroying the economy, businesses, jobs (and yes, lives).
How many people have died becasue of all of this ? - probably no one will ever know.

How many more will die becasue all anyone cares about is CV19.
For the record, I now know (directly or indirectly) of five people who have had it.
None went to hospital, all recovered, one simply tested positive, but never even felt ill.

I know 6 people who have lost their jobs, and several more back on furlough, with their jobs in jepody.

jfman · 05-11-2020, 00:13

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Originally Posted by Paul

Well of course, if jfman disagrees it must be wrong/bad/whatever.

Maybe in your world everyone thinks there is nothing wrong with lockdowns and a police state enforcing them. In mine, not so much.

The response to this virus has been nothing short of hysterical, destroying the economy, businesses, jobs (and yes, lives).
How many people have died becasue of all of this ? - probably no one will ever know.

How many more will die becasue all anyone cares about is CV19.
For the record, I now know (directly or indirectly) of five people who have had it.
None went to hospital, all recovered, one simply tested positive, but never even felt ill.

I know 6 people who have lost their jobs, and several more back on furlough, with their jobs in jepody.

I'm only pointing out that the same voices who never agreed with lockdown in the first place are out there against all the evidence arguing against this one. I don't believe a police state is a good idea but if you peddle mistrust year on year in experts and politicians then you get the society that you get.

It may never be known how many people die of Covid-19 and more importantly we will never know how many would have died without intervention.

I've never disputed the economic cost of the pandemic however I've stated it is not just a consequence of lockdown - working from home, shielding, and reduced demand are part of this. However it is the role of Government to step up to the plate in this regard.

Government (any) has no intention of ever repaying the £2trn of debt we are in. The cost of servicing debt is at an all time low. There's an opportunity to work within these macroeconomic levers to support people, jobs, employers. Although it appears it's pointless if you spunk billions up the wall to Dido Harding's pals and consultancies who cannot develop a track and trace system.