Coronavirus (OLD)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

It's either that or they are going to have to ban offices with "hot desking", workers take whatever desk is available, which would just spread infection, my younger brother has had to work from home, they have provided a special computer, that allows him to carry out his work from home, but he told me the work stations are shared, he still lives at home with mum and dad and they are in the vulnerable group so he's been allowed to work from home.

But I notice routinely, he's always caught a cold, cough etc because of "hot desking".

Sorry to hear that.
I suspect companies with hot-desking will have issues unless they continue with homeworking, as they won't have enough space for social distancing.

Technically our company switched to hot desking when we moved to a new building a few years ago.

In practice that never worked for the majority, and we all have our own desk.

It remains to be seen how they will work that, we have wide[ish] desks, but from memory they are not 6 feet apart (more like 4) and certainly not when you factor in the person opposite you (although you are separated from that person by a barrier/privacy screen, and your monitors).

Im expecting to be WFH for some time yet, probably into the autumn, especially as im fully set up for it while some are not so well set up at home.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sorry to hear that.
I suspect companies with hot-desking will have issues unless they continue with homeworking, as they won't have enough space for social distancing.

All the changes they've made the my and in many offices are the opposite of what is now required. As well as hotdesking they've made desks smaller and smaller,so they can cram more in and save on real estate. Believe they called it 'densification'.

If we ever do get back to work it might be a nicer place with more space and desk dividers back and colleagues that have to keep their distance (peace at last maybe ).

[Mr K]

Interesting how the 100k tests was only achieved on one day,. To meet a political need and save some incompetent health minister's skin maybe?

They now appear to be ramping them down again as it's down to 75k . Germany have carried out more than 4 times as many tests, hence why they're in top of the situation and we aren't.
. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...76496-21967333

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Interesting how the 100k tests was only achieved on one day,. To meet a political need and save some incompetent health minister's skin maybe?

They now appear to be ramping them down again as it's down to 75k . Germany have carried out more than 4 times as many tests, hence why they're in top of the situation and we aren't.
. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...76496-21967333

Tests can only be carried out when those that qualify go for them.

There is no reported shortage of availability to attain the 100k tests but that doesn't fit your narrative does it?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Tests can only be carried out when those that qualify go for them.

There is no reported shortage of availability to attain the 100k tests but that doesn't fit your narrative does it?

Hard for some to drive many miles to these tests if they don't have a car or drive. That doesn't seem to have occurred to the muppets that run the country.

We'll soon have the most deaths in Europe, there is a reason why.

[nomadking]

1) It was all about capacity. That target has been reached.
2) The average over the 3 days is still more than 100,000.
3) As the tests take hours to carry out, the results could appear in the next days figures.
Link

The country has the capacity to carry out up to 500,000 tests a week, but must increase that to more than a million, or 200,000 tests a day, they say.
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“The reagents we need are produced by just three manufacturers in Germany and they have run dry,” Elisabeth Koerber-Kröll from the district medical faculty in Schwäbisch Hall, in Baden-Württemberg, south-west Germany, one of the hardest hit regions told broadcaster SWR.

The reference to 1m/week = 200,000/day, suggests no weekend testing.

This why Germany's figures are better.

A nationwide network set up between doctors’ practices, normally used to monitor the flu, was also used for testing for Covid-19 from February onwards, and the fact the system only detected a case on 12 March indicates that the virus was not widespread before then..

It was never widespread in the first place regardless of testing. It was more localised.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Hard for some to drive many miles to these tests if they don't have a car or drive. That doesn't seem to have occurred to the muppets that run the country.

We'll soon have the most deaths in Europe, there is a reason why.

when they were posted out to people's homes or satellite units.

In spite of widespread availability of laboratory testing but due to the restrictive RKI testing criteria, Germans without specific symptoms could not be tested until late March. On 25 March 2020, the Robert Koch Institute announced that people no longer needed to come from risk areas to be tested, and prioritised loosened restrictions to test health care workers. RKI criticised that too many people without symptoms were tested. On 26 March, virologist Streeck said testing labs were at the limit of their capacity. The more a pandemic spreads, the harder it becomes to increase the number of tests due to overburdening of the healthcare system.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Interesting how the 100k tests was only achieved on one day,. To meet a political need and save some incompetent health minister's skin maybe?

They now appear to be ramping them down again as it's down to 75k . Germany have carried out more than 4 times as many tests, hence why they're in top of the situation and we aren't.
. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...76496-21967333

The 100K test was a target and yes would have been a black mark had it not been reached but the media put so much stock in it, Piers Morgan asking if Hancock would resign if it wasn’t met. That it became a side show, “ooh today’s the day, has the government met their target?” then immediately when it looked like it would be met, the narrative became , “well testing is no good without contact tracing”

You also have to have 100K people per day that want to be tested and can be tested.

It’s bollocks in my professional opinion, not the testing, but chasing numbers.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Hard for some to drive many miles to these tests if they don't have a car or drive. That doesn't seem to have occurred to the muppets that run the country.

We'll soon have the most deaths in Europe, there is a reason why.

I'll debate that with you this time next year, if we are both still here of course.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Hard for some to drive many miles to these tests if they don't have a car or drive. That doesn't seem to have occurred to the muppets that run the country.

It probably did occur, but what do you expect them to do about it?

Oh yeah.

There are tests that can be requested by post, and returned by post. Good old Fozzie.

We'll soon have the most deaths in Europe, there is a reason why.

Which is?

That we’re the best and most honest at collating the figures, apparently.

https://order-order.com/2020/05/03/h...ely-reporting/

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It probably did occur, but what do you expect them to do about it?

Oh yeah.

There are tests that can be requested by post, and returned by post. Good old Fozzie.




Which is?

The tests Pierre, the tests!!!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I'll debate that with you this time next year, if we are both still here of course.

It's currently a lot closer than I thought. Your chat with Mr K made me look the stats up - the countries with the most deaths in Europe are the UK with 28,446 and Italy with 28,884. (I appreciate that countries may measure CV-19 deaths in different ways and with different timeliness of data.)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52524001

[nomadking]

Seeing at the rates vary widely within Germany itself, testing cannot be the reason.

Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
433.6 out of 1,000,000 inhabitants.

Hamburg
2515.2 out of 1,000,000 inhabitants.

Bayern
3265.7 out of 1,000,000 inhabitants.

That's a 7.5 fold difference between lowest and highest. Did Bayern do anything wrong?

Originally Posted by Mr K

Interesting how the 100k tests was only achieved on one day,.

About as interesting as your daily trolling.