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Old 25-05-2018, 16:40   #2086
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I agree. From what those who voted leave say to me, this is the main reason why they did so. Not one has mentioned sovereignty etc.
They are going to be disappointed because Brexit is going to make very little difference to the levels of immigration.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8326101.html
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Britain is set to make an offer to the EU on future immigration which would see arrangements “very similar” to current free movement rules put in place after Brexit, The Independent has learned.
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They are going to be disappointed because Brexit is going to make very little difference to the levels of immigration.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8326101.html
Well, let's see what 'very similar' actually means. I dare say that those Europeans we actually need in this country will not notice much difference. The ne'er-do-wells may have a different experience.
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Old 25-05-2018, 18:29   #2088
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It's also caused a lot of NHS posts to be filled and tax income to be raised
Thats debatable : https://fullfact.org/immigration/how...blic-finances/

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Maybe they should be building desalination plants. We've got plenty of sea and it's ever rising !
iirc, we (the UK) built one a few years back, didn't use it properly and broke it!

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Well that's another consequence of privatisation Richard, the consumer comes last, and profits first.
As opposed to our old state run industries which put the workers first and the consumers last
Looks like the customers always come last
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Old 25-05-2018, 22:25   #2089
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[/COLOR]As opposed to our old state run industries which put the workers first and the consumers last
Looks like the customers always come last
The water industry, as well as Railways, are examples of where privatisation doesn't work. One of the supposed benefits is competition - there isn't in the water sector - just a privatised monopoly.
Still, its the mugs in the SE that will go dry first, and they certainly aren't having any of our lovely Northern water. If they want it, they'll have to pay lots
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Old 25-05-2018, 23:44   #2090
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Well, let's see what 'very similar' actually means. I dare say that those Europeans we actually need in this country will not notice much difference. The ne'er-do-wells may have a different experience.
Indeed. I think most people have a problem with the free movement of people that the EU have forced us to adopt because we have no control over the quality and quantity of an unlimited number that are able to come here.

Never again do I want to see Romanians living in our subways and openly defecating in our parks.

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They are going to be disappointed because Brexit is going to make very little difference to the levels of immigration.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8326101.html
We will be able to let in the number and type that we want, rather than them being able to turn up with no job or home arranged.

I do hope that they somehow make it clear that this is not a permanent arrangement though. As automation takes hold for many of these unskilled jobs that they fill, we need to be able to have an exit strategy in place for them, or we will end up having to keep them once they are surplus to requirements.

An alternative idea to fill any vacancies was floated today by the justice strategy:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...david-gauke-EU
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Old 26-05-2018, 00:10   #2091
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The water industry, as well as Railways, are examples of where privatisation doesn't work. One of the supposed benefits is competition - there isn't in the water sector - just a privatised monopoly.
Still, its the mugs in the SE that will go dry first, and they certainly aren't having any of our lovely Northern water. If they want it, they'll have to pay lots
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The unpopularity of rail privatisation is an odd phenomenon. British Rail, the monolithic state-owned operation that preceded privatisation, was one of the country’s most reviled institutions. And what people do seems at variance with what they say. The story of rail usage under British Rail was one of inexorable decline. Between 1960 and 1995, passenger numbers fell by about a third. Since 1995, they have more than doubled. The dramatic trend reversal coincides exactly with privatisation.
As for water. I agree. It should have never been privatized.
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Old 26-05-2018, 06:03   #2092
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Yes 60% of the public must be a odd lot it seems.

https://news.sky.com/story/majority-...shows-11193313
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Old 26-05-2018, 09:55   #2093
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As for water. I agree. It should have never been privatized.
I never ever thought water should have been privatised.It's a necessity and a basic human right and should be provided by the state as a utility.We don't have a choice about it unlike the other privatised industries where we can find alternatives between gas or electricity or road or train.
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Old 26-05-2018, 13:39   #2094
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I never ever thought water should have been privatised.It's a necessity and a basic human right and should be provided by the state as a utility.We don't have a choice about it unlike the other privatised industries where we can find alternatives between gas or electricity or road or train.
Competition was considered back in 2016, but would have only resulted in a saving of about £8 per year. Many businesses, however, have been able to chooses who supplies their water since 1/4/17.
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I never ever thought water should have been privatised.It's a necessity and a basic human right and should be provided by the state as a utility.We don't have a choice about it unlike the other privatised industries where we can find alternatives between gas or electricity or road or train.
Indeed
I also think that rail shouldn't have been privatized either but for the omnishambles it had become. I'm actually against privatizing anything that is part of the infrastructure of the nation but that then leaves the problem of unions, inefficiency, jobs for life etc. to be dealt with before those utilities can function at their best.
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Old 26-05-2018, 20:55   #2096
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Privatisation was good because it ensured the badly needed investment that was required.

What is so sacred about water in terms of the public/private debate? The water is free - what we are paying for is the means of getting a pure supply of it to our homes and the means of disposing of the waste as sewerage. We were relying on old Victorian pipes with no public money available to replace them. That's why water was privatised.

As for the railways, nobody surely who used the railways while under public sector control would want to go back to that! Pre-war trains, window frames so dirty that if you put your hand on them, you could only remove the grime with soap and water, revolting turned up sandwiches which I wouldn't feed to the birds.... Honestly, who wants that?

In my part of the world, we had a two-carriage train to London, which was not well used. The fact that we now have a modern eight-carriage service with most seats taken speaks volumes for the difference privatisation has made.
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Privatisation was good because it ensured the badly needed investment that was required.

What is so sacred about water in terms of the public/private debate? The water is free - what we are paying for is the means of getting a pure supply of it to our homes and the means of disposing of the waste as sewerage. We were relying on old Victorian pipes with no public money available to replace them. That's why water was privatised.

As for the railways, nobody surely who used the railways while under public sector control would want to go back to that! Pre-war trains, window frames so dirty that if you put your hand on them, you could only remove the grime with soap and water, revolting turned up sandwiches which I wouldn't feed to the birds.... Honestly, who wants that?

In my part of the world, we had a two-carriage train to London, which was not well used. The fact that we now have a modern eight-carriage service with most seats taken speaks volumes for the difference privatisation has made.
You're right there OB, privatisation has worked wonders on the railways. Cheap fares, reliable services , no overcrowding, decent rolling stock, no strikes

It's worked so well that even this Govt. has had to renationalise the East Coast mainline !
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