The state benefits system mega-thread.
29-10-2019, 05:02
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.
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Indeed they are, as could be said for anyone who believes societies ills are because of public spending, benefit claimants or the number of immigrants in the UK, and not the industrial scale of tax evasion/avoidance.
The financial crisis wasn’t caused because I used to get by bin emptied once a week.
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31-10-2019, 19:42
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.
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The article isn’t well written but Frank Field MP is Labour and appears to be the one condemning. The unnamed Tory minister appears to justify it.
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31-10-2019, 22:27
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.
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The article isn’t well written but Frank Field MP is Labour and appears to be the one condemning. The unnamed Tory minister appears to justify it.
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Frank Field was Labour, but is now independent and AFAIK is standing as an independent in his Birkenhead constituency at this election.
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02-11-2019, 15:52
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.
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1) Nothing whatsoever connected to the links in the post I was replying to.
2) Nothing whatsoever to do with benefits.
3) Nothing whatsoever to do with nonsense claim of 100,000+ deaths of people who were merely receiving benefits.
4) Not much was changed prior to 2013, after which the main changes came in, and yet.
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Professor Martin Roland Emeritus Professor of Health Services Research, University of Cambridge said: “This study suggests that a change happened to cause deaths to stop declining around 2014."
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So more cuts from 2013, led to fewer deaths. 
5) 2010 should be discounted from any figures, because any budgets will have been set by Labour.
6) The figures are based upon per person. If you let over 1m people in, the per person figure will go down. As the incomers were supposedly younger and more healthy, a smaller proportion of them will have needed social care. That again distorts the true per person figures.
7) Cuts started BEFORE 2010.
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Local authority spending on adult social care in England fell 8% in real terms between 2009–10 and 2016–17, but was protected relative to spending on other local authority services.
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Though funding for the Department of Health and Social Care continues to grow, the rate of growth slowed during the period of austerity that followed the 2008 economic crash. Budgets rose by 1.5 per cent each year on average in the 10 years between 2009/10 to 2018/19, compared to the 3.7 per cent average rises since the NHS was established.
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As the 2009/10 figure was an 8% drop, it can be concluded that the 9 years of 2010/2011 to 2018/2019 had an average increase of 2.5%. Yet the annual average increase under Labour was 2.2%.
8) Aspects of Social Care have been devolved to councils. Makes coming up with the true budget figure more complicated.
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These new funds potentially give councils enough money to reverse by 2019–20 all the cuts that have been made to social care since 2009–10: spending in 2019–20 could be 3.2% higher than it was in 2009–10 (but still 4.8% lower per adult). This is conditional on local authorities choosing to raise the funds and using them for social care.
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02-11-2019, 17:21
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.
https://fullfact.org/health/adult-so...nurse-numbers/
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“Since 2010, social care has been slashed by £7.7 billion. Over 200,000 nurses have resigned.”
David Lammy MP, 27 October 2019
This week Labour MP David Lammy claimed that social care has been slashed by £7.7 billion and that 200,000 nurses have resigned since 2010.
The £7.7 billion figure needs more context. It’s the amount councils in England say they have had to save on adult social care spending since 2010. That’s money they had in previous budgets but had to make savings on, it’s not necessarily how much their budget has been reduced by. Overall spending on adult social care has fallen by £0.4 billion in real terms (taking into account inflation) since 2010.
The claim that 200,000 nurses have resigned is incorrect. It refers to all nurses who left the NHS in England between 2010 and 2018—including those who have retired, died in service, or left for an unknown reason.
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04-11-2019, 16:52
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.
The BBC aren't "reporting"* it, they reported** it, over 4 years ago...
btw, the word "totally" isn't used in that article.
*present tense...
**past tense...
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04-11-2019, 17:07
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.
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The data does not contain a breakdown of how the people died.
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The figures said 2,017,070 people were given a decision following their WCA between May 2010 and February 2013, with 40,680 dying within a year of that decision.
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For the umpteenth time, anything that happens close to the changeover has nothing to do with the government that takes over. No new rules were in place until 28th of March the following year. Any new rules wouldn't have applied to anyone applying before 28th March 2011. The new rules were mostly, if not all, suggested under Labour, eg use of of wheelchair only giving 9 points rather than 15.
7,540 people died in the assessment phase, compared to 2,380 who died after found "fit for work". Those in the "fit for work" group will still have had the reconsideration and appeals phases to go, and would've still been receiving ESA all that time. Even then they were ALL still receiving ESA or JSA, otherwise the DWP wouldn't know about them, and wouldn't be included in that figure. As the numbers of people that didn't die aren't included, it's impossible to assess the comparative mortality rates. Even more so when the pre-2010 figures are not there, and conveniently not asked for in the first place.
BUNCH OF MEANINGLESS FIGURES FROM 4 YEARS AGO.
Still nowhere near the claimed figures of 100,000+ deaths.
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05-11-2019, 17:36
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.
Tories back candidate who thinks that benefit claimants should be "put down":
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-remarks-gower
Since benefits were frozen and people were pushed below the poverty line at the same time as cuts were made to other benefits, the Trussell Trust has found that most food bank users are now living on an average of £50 a week after housing costs have been paid. They are expected to pay bills and buy food with this, so the Trusell Tr7st has called on the Government to increase benefits. Next years increase of about £1 a week is nowhere near enough and has probably only been done due to the forthcoming general election:
https://welfareweekly.com/food-bank-...earch-reveals/
Video about the real effects of Universal Credit on people:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dtKI_B7RghI
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06-11-2019, 12:49
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06-11-2019, 12:59
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.
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What else can you expect from the Kafkaesque DWP.
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07-11-2019, 11:37
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07-11-2019, 11:47
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.
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