Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] - Page 903

phormwatch · 09-08-2008, 09:20

Strange. Thanks anyway.

Rchivist · 09-08-2008, 09:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by phormwatch

Can someone please post the text version of the Phorm flyer, which can be found here:

http://nodpi.wikispaces.com/Propaganda

Into this broadband forum:

http://www.broadbandwatchdog.co.uk/f...wforum.php?f=1

I can't seem to register at all, for some reason. I've tried switching browsers, disabling noscript, allowing cookies, et. al. Might be my hosts file or something...

Thanks.

BTW - the file names for the first two copies of the flyer on that url are the same so p resumably one of them is incorrect.

Dephormation · 09-08-2008, 09:58

4everdns.com

http://forums.theplanet.com/lofivers...hp/t61549.html

warescouse · 09-08-2008, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation

4everdns.com

http://forums.theplanet.com/lofivers...hp/t61549.html

Let's face it Pete, as I am sure you are aware, one of the reasons we are so aghast with this whole Phorm - WebWise - BT scenario is how did it it ever get this far?

My opinion would be to suspect that someone in BT either was negligent in their checks on Phorm and their unsavoury past (present in 2006?) history, or perhaps something more sinister and underhand went on to allow an alleged spyware company intercepting customers ISP web data without their knowledge.

Lets face it, if 121Media (Phorm) at the time had so desired in 2006, they were given access to lots of private (secret) information of unsuspecting customers and probably insufficient checks were in place to prevent anything untoward happening by BT. If what I have read on this forum is true and high level network security BT personal was unaware of what went on at the time, it would be very worrying.

I hope the police investigate the whole scenario do a really proper and in-depth job and find out what actually went on behind the scenes.

If there is anything underhand and untoward apart from the obvious illegalities or running the trials without permission, I hope heads will severely roll.

Dephormation · 09-08-2008, 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by warescouse

Let's face it Pete, as I am sure you are aware, one of the reasons we are so aghast with this whole Phorm - WebWise - BT scenario is how did it it ever get this far?

Agree completely. How BT ever got into bed with 121 Media defies comprehension.

I did wonder if the person who posted that analysis might have been a trial victim, who got confused by the injection of Javascript code into his pages (which in itself demonstrates what a stupid idea modifying anyones private communications is, for the telco not just the recipient).

But that post I linked to dates from April 2006, supposedly well before the BT trials in Q3/Q4 2006.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation

4everdns.com

http://forums.theplanet.com/lofivers...hp/t61549.html

I've been asked for an English explanation of that post, happy to oblige.

My interpretation is this;

The poster seems to have received spam concerning various 'controversial' topics.

When he followed links in the spam, he was taken to a site called 4everdns.com.

On the pages of 4everdns.com he found Javascript from sysip.net embedded in the pages. The script was grabbing IP addresses from visitors.

When he followed the name server details for sysip.net, he found 121 Media were responsible.

121 Media is the previous trading name of Phorm.

So to conclude...

Either
- the 'controversial' spam messages/host sites may have been linked to 121 Media
or
- there was possibly a trial of PageSense running in April 2006

Pete

---------- Post added at 10:56 ---------- Previous post was at 10:50 ----------

If anyone is a member of Planet Forums, and wouldn't mind contacting the poster

http://forums.theplanet.com/index.php?showuser=20935

If so questions to ask
- Which ISP were you with in April 2006?
- Did you keep a copy of the spam emails?
- Did you keep a copy of the pages involved?
- Were any other pages affected, or was it only 4everdns.com?

Pete

warescouse · 09-08-2008, 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation

cut...
So to conclude...

Either
- the 'controversial' spam messages/host sites may have been linked to 121 Media
or
- there was possibly a trial of PageSense running in April 2006

Pete

My interpretation also. If I could add, the information is not implying any possible trial was with BT.

EDIT: I see you have made that clear in your last edit request.

SelfProtection · 09-08-2008, 11:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Agree completely. How BT ever got into bed with 121 Media defies comprehension.

I did wonder if the person who posted that analysis might have been a trial victim, who got confused by the injection of Javascript code into his pages (which in itself demonstrates what a stupid idea modifying anyones private communications is, for the telco not just the recipient).

[snip]

121 Media is the previous trading name of Phorm.

So to conclude...

Either
- the 'controversial' spam messages/host sites may have been linked to 121 Media
or
- there was possibly a trial of PageSense running in April 2006

Pete

---------- Post added at 10:56 ---------- Previous post was at 10:50 ----------

If anyone is a member of Planet Forums, and wouldn't mind contacting the poster

http://forums.theplanet.com/index.php?showuser=20935

If so questions to ask
- Which ISP were you with in April 2006?
- Did you keep a copy of the spam emails?
- Did you keep a copy of the pages involved?
- Were any other pages affected, or was it only 4everdns.com?

Pete

Given the information available here.
http://www.digitallook.com/news/shar...R&D_costs.html

It was more than likely, both forms of activity at the same time!

bluecar1 · 09-08-2008, 12:51

the deeper we dig !!!

philj · 09-08-2008, 13:02

Hi all,
got this reply from VirginMedia today regarding DPA notice. Mr. Woodham makes a couple of points I thought you should see.

Phil

http://www.phillyn.pwp.blueyonder.co.../virgindpa.jpg

SelfProtection · 09-08-2008, 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluecar1

the deeper we dig !!!

Can anyone confirm whether the Petition Website is Up or Down, I have been unable to view it for 2-3 hrs, although the main site is still up?

zwade · 09-08-2008, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by SelfProtection

Can anyone confirm whether the Petition Website is Up or Down, I have been unable to view it for 2-3 hrs, although the main site is still up?

I'm able to view the list of petitions, but not view any of them.

Having said that, the whole site seems to be running slow.

mark777 · 09-08-2008, 13:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by SelfProtection

Can anyone confirm whether the Petition Website is Up or Down, I have been unable to view it for 2-3 hrs, although the main site is still up?

It works for me. Currently 16813 signatures.

phormwatch · 09-08-2008, 13:38

If you click on any petition and wait about 10 minutes, it will eventually load.

Wildie · 09-08-2008, 13:39

its running slow on that side of things it`s still there all 16813 sigs and climbing.

Tharrick · 09-08-2008, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by philj

Hi all,
got this reply from VirginMedia today regarding DPA notice. Mr. Woodham makes a couple of points I thought you should see.

Phil

http://www.phillyn.pwp.blueyonder.co.../virgindpa.jpg

Well, I'm not believing much of what he's saying there :P

By the way, I got a call from VM the other day asking why I'd cancelled. The woman on the other end then felt it necessary to remind me repeatedly that I'd not get as good a service or supply from any other supplier, and that there was 'no way' I could get equivalent speeds on ADSL. The woman I spoke to at Be, on the other hand, has informed me that the contestion ratio on my line is 1:1, and that because of the exchange and its distance from me I should very easily be able to get up to 24mb.

I did remind everyone I spoke to in VM about Phorm, and made a point of mentioning it to the guy trying to sell me BT broadband packages as well - apparantly he'd never heard of them.

BT must be raking in the money over this though - what we don't seem to have considered is people who want to leave VM's cable service, and so have to shell out for a phone line from BT before they can get any replacement