Russia has invaded Ukraine

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by pip08456

That is where he is now though.

No he isn’t, he has nuclear weapons.

I mean yes if he uses them he doesn’t win, no one does. But don’t push him into a position where he may consider that option.

Don’t play chicken with someone that cause the end of civilisation. Especially when they’re not dealing with a full deck.

Then where/when does it stop?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No he isn’t, he has nuclear weapons.

I mean yes if he uses them he doesn’t win, no one does. But don’t push him into a position where he may consider that option.

Don’t play chicken with someone that cause the end of civilisation. Especially when they’re not dealing with a full deck.

No one is pushing him anywhere, he's done it all by himself by miscalculating what the respons of the Ukranians and the west would be.

He thought the Ukrainian army would just surrender and lay down their arms, that didn't work out well. They allowed the advance and then stopped the logistic supply of those troops. Not that Russian paratroops are actual frontline fighting units anyway, certainly not in the way ours or the US ones are, they are more glorified policemen.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Then where/when does it stop?

I’ve repeated it several times in just the last few hours……..(and several days ago I might add)

He is either replaced (unlikely)

Or there is a negotiated settlement between Ukraine and Russia, along the lines of the terms (unknown if that is fake or not) recently posted or something resembling them.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

No one is pushing him anywhere

Him not coming out of this looking like he has won…….is pushing him.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Not sure what to make of these protests. Are these the more liberal-minded people of Russia and in a minority? Students, academics and so on? Or is this reflective of a deeper feeling within Russia? The majority of protests have been in Moscow and Saint Petersburg which are the more liberal cities anyway although they probably contain people with more influence as well.

I am worried we're seeing what we want to see.

We've also seen a pro-Russia demonstration in Serbia, a Russian gymnast with a letter Z on his clothing and children with terminal illnesses in Russia form a letter Z. Although I acknowledge the last one may have been staged, the above events are doubtless what would be in and on official Russian media.

Hard to tell how representative such actions are without any independent polling.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Him not coming out of this looking like he has won…….is pushing him.

Maybe Ukraine don't want him to come out of this llooking like a winner, maybe they want him to come out of this looking like a loser. And would you blame them? I wouldn't.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Then where/when does it stop?

The logical conclusion of this approach is to hand over the keys of No.10 and the White House to Putin.

[RichardCoulter]

From Bloomberg.com:

More than 400,000 people have volunteered to help a crowdsourced Ukrainian government effort that is using digital means to disrupt Russian government and military targets, according to a Ukrainian cybersecurity official.

Victor Zhora, deputy chief of Ukraine’s information protection service, said in a briefing Friday that the country was engaged in a “cyber resistance” against Russia that was aimed at making the country weaker. The update comes after Ukraine’s minister of digital transformation called on international computer specialists to attack Russian web infrastructure.

So has hacking effectively been legalised (as long as it's against Russia)? Sounds fair enough to me considering some of the nasty things that they've done.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The logical conclusion of this approach is to hand over the keys of No.10 and the White House to Putin.

Exactly. If he succeeded in gaining back former Russian countries, I think it's inevitable that the invading will continue.

It gets me so mad when people have said to me that it's not our problem and we should keep out of it. Even our Government with it's Russian 'donations' realises this.

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Re: Claim that Russia is to disconnect itself from the internet. I've been given this information:

'Just search ‘Russia Internet Disconnect’ on Twitter. However the information minister denied it today (which probably means it will happen!).

Russia has been planning RuNet for some time.'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runet

[pip08456]

Well, the Ukrainians are not going to back down as this speech shows.

Pres. Zelenskyy's March 7, 2022 evening address.(with subtitles)

https://twitter.com/JPaulKirby/statu...75803529637890

They are in for the long haul.

Richard, Twitter is not the font of true information all the time, perhaps have a read of this.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/07/russi...h-11-16230918/

A report by the Russian daily Kommersant seems to contradict the claim, saying the Ministry of Digital Development has denied a government move to block Russian access to the internet.

So while Putin could have called to block Russia from the web, it may not come to pass.

Kommersant said that the ‘order’ is now only limited to the government websites and has been taken to prepare the country’s internet infrastructure against any external disconnection and cyber threats.

There is also this to consider, admittedly only an opinion piece but I think it deserves merit.

Putin cannot expand his war of aggression until he is victorious in Ukraine. This means the singular focus of Western policy should be aimed at containing Russian expansion by giving Ukraine the weapons necessary to stalemate and defeat the Russians in Ukraine. There will be no war in Moldova and no thrust into the Baltic Republics if Putin meets disaster in Ukraine. The unequivocal policy of NATO and the United States should be to give every conceivable type of aid to Ukraine to win the unprovoked war of barbarism that Putin has launched. The Ukrainians are holding the line. There will be mass suffering, death, trauma and pain ahead. All of it is the result of one man’s evil and delusion. Arm Ukraine with everything she needs to win. This moment calls for decisive leadership in the west.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: JUST IN: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will give a “historic address” to MPs on Tuesday evening by video link - Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle.

I do wonder if he will give the UK a bit of dressing down over its lower number of sanctions and visas for Ukranians?
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...nough-12559880

[Carth]

That very nice graph can be read an alternative way . . .

Notice it says "far fewer new sanctions" . . which may indicate the UK did most of the sanctions available to start with, whereas other countries held back and introduced them slowly.

Still, it's a nice graph to knock the UK Government with again Andrew, well done

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I do wonder if he will give the UK a bit of dressing down over its lower number of sanctions and visas for Ukranians?
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...nough-12559880

Nah, he'll be thanking us for the NLAW rocket launchers and other military aid we've provided.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I do wonder if he will give the UK a bit of dressing down over its lower number of sanctions and visas for Ukranians?
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...nough-12559880

Always putting our country down. Sure more humanitarian efforts are needed, but let’s not forget about geographical locations too.

Zelenskyy will not give the UK a dressing down. The UK has done more in the beginning, started giving weapons to Ukraine. Which country in the EU dragged its feet banning Russia from Swift?

Which country can’t stop receiving gas from Russia?

Latest UK Intel:

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Always putting our country down. Sure more humanitarian efforts are needed, but let’s not forget about geographical locations too.

Zelenskyy will not give the UK a dressing down. The UK has done more in the beginning, started giving weapons to Ukraine. Which country in the EU dragged its feet banning Russia from Swift?

Which country can’t stop receiving gas from Russia?

I absolutely agree with you on Germany and they need to wean themselves off Russian energy resources asap.

In my post, I'm simply pointing out what Zelensky might say to Parliament. Quite rightly, you acknowledge that the UK should take in more refugees from Ukraine and I don't call that putting our country down.