U.S Election 2020

Originally Posted by Mick

As much as he has said he uses twitter and facebook to get his message out there, he wouldn't need them to publicly speak out, he could walk out of the White House right now or invite the WH press pool in and they would stream his message to the world and because of where we are, practically every news network in the world would cover it.

Sure but Facebook doesn't want to be the ones carrying that message. They're protecting themselves.

Originally Posted by gba93

But would you if they had been?

LOL - CF may have been around a very long time, but I doubt a sitting president in that time would have visited us, being a forum based in Britain.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Sure but Facebook doesn't want to be the ones carrying that message. They're protecting themselves.

Yeah and I get that.

[joglynne]

I am afraid that this ban will only attract more followers for Trump. He will sell himself as a martyr to the cause and this will attract those Americans who feel disenfrachised and marginalised by society. He may be a selfserving, egotistical, lying opportunist but his almost marerick style obviously appeals to a lot of people.

BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson has just publicly condemned president Trump for inciting yesterdays attacks on the capitol building.

In his first question, was about U.S President, Donald Trump - Mr Johnson says America has always stood for freedom and democracy and that "as you say, in so far as he encouraged people to storm the Capitol and so far as the president has consistently cast doubt on the outcome of a free and fair election, I believe that was completely wrong".

Originally Posted by Mick

LOL - CF may have been around a very long time, but I doubt a sitting president in that time would have visited us, being a forum based in Britain.

To be fair they might be already here under a different name.

[gba93]

Originally Posted by Mick

LOL - CF may have been around a very long time, but I doubt a sitting president in that time would have visited us, being a forum based in Britain.

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Yeah and I get that.

That wasn't the question - would you care to answer the one posed?

Originally Posted by gba93

That wasn't the question - would you care to answer the one posed?

I am well aware what the question was - I don't think I need to answer it because it is a moot point. A sitting president with millions of followers, would not register and post on a British forum.

But if it helps you to understand this. The rules on here apply to all who use the site.

[gba93]

Originally Posted by Mick

I am well aware what the question was - I don't think I need to answer it because it is a moot point. A sitting president with millions of followers, would not register and post on a British forum.

But if it helps you to understand this. The rules on here apply to all who use the site.

Thank you, so shouldn't Facebook be able to apply their rules in the same way regardless of wealth, power or position if they so choose.

[1andrew1]

The article was from four hours ago so I assume they decided against taking such drastic action.

Trump's cabinet 'consider forcibly removing him from office' as Republican loyalty disintegrates

Donald Trump’s own cabinet members are reportedly considering whether to forcibly remove him from office via the 25th amendment after his actions before the storming of Congress triggered widespread condemnation.

CBS News reported that discussions about invoking the manoeuvre, once derided as a liberal dream by Trump supporters, were under way at the top of the US government after a mob smashed their way into the US Capitol.

The extraordinary move, which would see Mr Trump removed from post and replaced by his vice president Mike Pence, would need support of a majority of the cabinet and Mr Pence himself.

It remains unclear whether the reported discussions will lead to action, given Mr Trump has just two weeks remaining in post and such a decision could trigger a backlash from his supporters.

But it is a reflection of how infuriated and concerned previously ultra-loyal members of Mr Trump’s own administration have become by his fanning of the flames of anger over the election result.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

John Bolton just said on Sky News that not many people understand the implementation of the 25th Amendment, there is 13 days left of the Trump presidency, his cabinet could invoke the 25th, but Trump only needs to write a letter back to congress, to say he is fit and healthy, Congress then has 21 days to debate it.....Bolton also said it could lead to two people declaring themselves president.

From what I understand is happening now, while he still is president, he will be being bypassed already, whilst he has the nuclear codes, his authority to order a nuclear strike may have already been revoked like Nixons was in 1974, before he left office.

The scene from the White House south lawn on August 9, 1974, is vivid in the nation’s memory. That morning, President Richard Nixon famously boarded Marine One for the final time, put on a wide grin and fired off a final double-V to the assembled crowd.

But one of the most interesting aspects of that day is what didn’t happen on the south lawn: Even though Nixon had more than two hours left in his tenure, the most critical tool of the modern presidency had already been taken away from him. He never noticed it, but the nuclear “football” didn’t travel with him as he boarded the helicopter, and later, Air Force One for his flight back to California.

In a democratic country without hereditary power, royal crowns or bejeweled thrones, the nuclear football is in some ways the only physical manifestation of our nation’s head of state.

Yet, on that August day, it had been quietly removed from Nixon’s hands—remaining behind at the White House with the incoming commander-in-chief, Gerald Ford.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...d-nixon-215478

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BREAKING: Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao is resigning, per two officials. Cites yesterday’s events as reason in email to DOT colleagues, per draft. First Cabinet secretary to resign. Chao is married to Mitch McConnell.

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Originally Posted by gba93

Thank you, so shouldn't Facebook be able to apply their rules in the same way regardless of wealth, power or position if they so choose.

From what I understand, they are only revoking his access through fear or potential trouble Trump could still cause, which is fine. But in doing that ban, they are regardless of right to do so or not, alienating millions of people.

Originally Posted by Mick

Yeah but the people we have kicked off over the years haven't had millions of followers or been the president of the US.

Well we have still had people emailing us to moan we've infringed their human rights after we've banned them

I agree, the influence they have means they have to act far more carefully, but their influence also means they can't get away with inaction. It's a fine line to tread, but to be honest I think Trump has only made things easier for them over the past couple of days. The way he has addressed this crisis has been absolutely shocking.

[1andrew1]

Whilst it's correct to criticise Trump's incitement and his mob of supporters who invaded Capitol House, what strikes me is that this was a known event. Not a spontaneous reaction to something.

The question that comes to mind are why weren't reinforcements - be it other police forces, the National Guard, etc ready and waiting to defend Capitol House against the mob?

If they had deployed sufficient law enforcement resources to ensure Capitol House was not breached, then the outcome will have been far more positive and the anti-Western press in Iran, China and Russia would not be gloating.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

John Bolton just said on Sky News that not many people understand the implementation of the 25th Amendment, there is 13 days left of the Trump presidency, his cabinet could invoke the 25th, but Trump only needs to write a letter back to congress, to say he is fit and healthy, Congress then has 21 days to debate it.....Bolton also said it could lead to two people declaring themselves president.

From what I understand is happening now, while he still is president, he will be being bypassed already, whilst he has the nuclear codes, his authority to order a nuclear strike may have already been revoked like Nixons was in 1974, before he left office.



https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...d-nixon-215478

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BREAKING: Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao is resigning, per two officials. Cites yesterday’s events as reason in email to DOT colleagues, per draft. First Cabinet secretary to resign. Chao is married to Mitch McConnell.

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From what I understand, they are only revoking his access through fear or potential trouble Trump could still cause, which is fine. But in doing that ban, they are regardless of right to do so or not, alienating millions of people.

John Bolton is incorrect.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

https://constitutioncenter.org/inter.../amendment-xxv

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Whilst it's correct to criticise Trump's incitement and his mob of supporters who invaded Capitol House, what strikes me is that this was a known event. Not a spontaneous reaction to something.

The question that comes to mind are why weren't reinforcements - be it other police forces, the National Guard, etc ready and waiting to defend Capitol House against the mob?

If they had deployed sufficient law enforcement resources to ensure Capitol House was not breached, then the outcome will have been far more positive and the anti-Western press in Iran, China and Russia would not be gloating.

The 'protestors' weren't black Andrew. Makes all the difference in Trump's US of 2020. In 4 years he's made the country go back 60 years...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The 'protestors' weren't black Andrew. Makes all the difference in Trump's US of 2020. In 4 years he's made the country go back 60 years...

I wish you were joking but; as I think Chris said; if the rioters were Black they would have left Capitol Hill in body bags and not in their gas-guzzling SUVs.

Was thinking of your joke about invading the US via Canada. Maybe all the MAGA stuff can be amended to Make America Great British Again.