Child grooming gang found guilty

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well of course we do. It's just in those cases their race never comes up as an issue. You rarely ever see 'white man' as a key part of a story because 90% of this country is white. You get paedophiles who are old white men, remember that woman and man from about a year ago? The woman was a nursery teacher? They were both white.

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And I am saying there is a cultural element to it. There are Asians who exist outside of this culture therefore the race part has nothing to do with it.

Indeed - I didn't hear anyone claiming there is a racial element when this happened. Most paedophile rings that have been found guilty of storing pics/ abusing kids in recent times have been all white - again, no mention or analysis or racial elements.

I would have liked to rep you for your recent posts on the thread Damien but unfortunately I need to spread the love!

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Indeed - I didn't hear anyone claiming there is a racial element when this happened. Most paedophile rings that have been found guilty of storing pics/ abusing kids in recent times have been all white - again, no mention or analysis or racial elements.

I've mentioned it.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Indeed - I didn't hear anyone claiming there is a racial element when this happened. Most paedophile rings that have been found guilty of storing pics/ abusing kids in recent times have been all white - again, no mention or analysis or racial elements.
I would have liked to rep you for your recent posts on the thread Damien but unfortunately I need to spread the love!

True and if their 'victims' had all been non white there would have been very loud shouts of racism. However, the perpetrators would've been no more represenative of their race/nationality/culture/religion as a whole than the guys involved in this case were.

[Hom3r]

People that do this sicken act deserve one of two things.

1. Locked up and released in a box.
2. The same treatment that a father did to the guy who he caught raping his 5 year old daughter

A good article in The Guardian after a similar case in which a predominately white gang groomed and sexually abused children, a case which got no where near the same level of press coverage as the Asian gang did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ism-takes-root

By now surely everyone knows the case of the eight men convicted of picking vulnerable underage girls off the streets, then plying them with drink and drugs before having sex with them. A shocking story. But maybe you haven't heard. Because these sex assaults did not take place in Rochdale, where a similar story led the news for days in May, but in Derby earlier this month. Fifteen girls aged 13 to 15, many of them in care, were preyed on by the men. And though they were not working as a gang, their methods were similar – often targeting children in care and luring them with, among other things, cuddly toys. But this time, of the eight predators, seven were white, not Asian. And the story made barely a ripple in the national media.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

A good article in The Guardian after a similar case in which a predominately white gang groomed and sexually abused children, a case which got no where near the same level of press coverage as the Asian gang did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ism-takes-root

It doesn't make the crimes any different but that's not really a fair comparison. In the Rochdale case the victims were all/in high majority white. That is what made the crime feel more racially-based.

Originally Posted by Russ

It doesn't make the crimes any different but that's not really a fair comparison. In the Rochdale case the victims were all/in high majority white. That is what made the crime feel more racially-based.

The point is that this Asian story dominated the news and has spawned a topic of 17 pages whereas a similar story involved a white gang has gone by with little mention or mention of their race.

[Russ]

If the victims in this newer case were non-white then I think the response would have been massively different, with Diane Abbot leading the charge.

Originally Posted by Russ

If the victims in this newer case were non-white then I think the response would have been massively different, with Diane Abbot leading the charge.

This has nothing to do with race, both Asian and White men exploited white children. So why was race brought into it at all in the original case.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

This has nothing to do with race, both Asian and White men exploited white children. So why was race brought into it at all in the original case.

In the Rochdale case, a group of vastly predominant Asian men groomed predominantly white girls.

In this new case, a gang made up of mostly white men groomed white girls.

Can you really not see how people make a racial distinction (justified or not)?

Originally Posted by Russ

In the Rochdale case, a group of vastly predominant Asian men groomed predominantly white girls.

In this new case, a gang made up of mostly white men groomed white girls.

Can you really not see how people make a racial distinction (justified or not)?

Other than the fact the men were Asian, no. I don't think it's the same as a hate crime, and if the girls were targeted because they were white then the same is true of the white men. I suspect they were targeted because they were vulnerable children and the men in question were paedophiles and race is a incidental part of the case.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

A good article in The Guardian after a similar case in which a predominately white gang groomed and sexually abused children, a case which got no where near the same level of press coverage as the Asian gang did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ism-takes-root

Your whole argument is flawed from the outset.

From the quote you posted

And though they were not working as a gang

What we have here is a story of several paedos that were grooming girls individually, they were not a gang and not working as such.

I'm pretty sure you could go to the courts in any city in the land and pull out several white paedos that are working individually.

The reason the Rochdale story was a story is because they were an organised gang, these guys in Derby weren't they probably don't even know each other.

Your point and the story in the Guardian is a nonsense.

[Osem]

What he said.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

Other than the fact the men were Asian, no. I don't think it's the same as a hate crime, and if the girls were targeted because they were white then the same is true of the white men. I suspect they were targeted because they were vulnerable children and the men in question were paedophiles and race is a incidental part of the case.

I can't believe you're not seeing this.

If a group of white men went out and beat up a gang on Asians I can't see how people could fail to call it a racially motivated attack.

If a group of Asian beat up a gang of whites, it would be the same.

The analogy here is if a gang of white men beat up a gang of other white people, would it make headlines with suggestions of racism? Of course not, and rightly so.

Originally Posted by Pierre

The reason the Rochdale story was a story is because they were an organised gang, these guys in Derby weren't they probably don't even know each other.

Your point and the story in the Guardian is a nonsense.

The article has other examples of white paedophiles rings where race isn't brought into the issue: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-11821933. It's not uncommon for paedophile rings to be smashed. Why is it that the fact they were white is never brought into it but it plays a key part when they are not?