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Old 09-04-2018, 18:34   #1
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Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

Teachers told not to use offensive terms when talking about terrorism:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...t-of-cultural/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hers-told.html

A rebuttal:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ning-scottish/

'It's PC gone mad' seems an apt term in this case.
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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

British "values" have changed over time. Some for the better, some for the worst. MODERN British values are hard to define, unlike one example, the way we act in queues.
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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

Typical Richard thread. No substance at all.
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Old 09-04-2018, 21:51   #4
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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

The trouble is that "British Values" is an undefined phrase, which if you asked 100 people, you would probably get 75 different lists - so how can something undefined be taught?

According to OFSTED, the 5 British values that should be taught are -

Democracy.
The rule of law.
Individual liberty.
Mutual respect.
Tolerance of those of different faiths and beliefs

Sounds fair too me.

btw, Richard, the date on your Telegraph article is "28 MARCH 2016" - the two later articles are just the SNP being a bit silly, and being denounced for their action by Muslim leaders.
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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

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Typical Richard thread. No substance at all.
Is that the best you can think of to contribute?

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British "values" have changed over time. Some for the better, some for the worst. MODERN British values are hard to define, unlike one example, the way we act in queues.
Fair point Taf.

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The trouble is that "British Values" is an undefined phrase, which if you asked 100 people, you would probably get 75 different lists - so how can something undefined be taught?

According to OFSTED, the 5 British values that should be taught are -

Democracy.
The rule of law.
Individual liberty.
Mutual respect.
Tolerance of those of different faiths and beliefs

Sounds fair too me.

btw, Richard, the date on your Telegraph article is "28 MARCH 2016" - the two later articles are just the SNP being a bit silly, and being denounced for their action by Muslim leaders.
Thanks for pointing that out, my error.

This is the more up to date article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...achers-should/

The five British values you quoted sound fair enough to me too; it appears to be the phrase 'British values' itself that has been labelled as 'cultural supremism'.

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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

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Is that the best you can think of to contribute?[COLOR="Silver"]
Not at all and am happy to oblige.

Let's start with the thread title, ambiguous. Who has deemed it offensive?- an NUT conference 2 yrs ago but you deem it current affairs, at least that's where you've posted it.

Were they told not to use the phrase? Of course not!

You then make a post in the thread that you have titled putting forward a totally different point.

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Teachers told not to use offensive terms when talking about terrorism
So, we have a thread title, a post that has nothing to do with the thread title other than some links to try to justify the thread title and nothing of actual substance in relation to either your post or thread title.

Have I missed anything?
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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

If my limited abilities to post in line with your requirements do not meet your expected standards, I suggest that you no longer enter any of my threads.
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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

You asked, I answered. If you have a problem with that don't ask the question.
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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

You are aware of the limitations caused as a result of my brain injury.

I find your persistent posts violate my dignity and create an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating and offensive environment.

Please stop.
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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

Richard, no one is aware of what your "limitations" are - whilst you have stated previously that you have had an injury in general terms, but no specifics, and no details of what effect it has had on you, or your cognition.

This is a forum that encourages rational and reasoned debate, and pip's comments are both - we will not stifle debate because you don't like people disagreeing with you.
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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

At various times I suffer from all the effects that are listed in this link:

https://www.brainline.org/article/co...c-brain-injury

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me (that's one of the reasons for debating after all), but it appears that Pip is abusing my disability in order to inflate his own ego at my expense. His posts to/about me are over critical to the point of pedancy, snide, rude, sanctimonious, acerbic etc and I find it upsetting.

On the advice of my disability support worker earlier today, I was asked to request him to stop and to explain the effect that his conduct is having on me to make him aware.

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If peoples replies on the forum are upsetting you, the best advice your support worker should give you would be to be stop posting. If the replies you get upset you, rethink what you post in the first place?

......or just don't post at all?
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Please stop.
Let me make this crystal clear, this is not your forum Richard, and you are not in a position to be making demands.

If you cannot cope with other peoples replies, and people disagreeing with you, then I suggest you leave until you can.
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Re: Phrase 'British values' deemed offensive teachers told.

Richard sorry but your being very thin skinned and personally i see you as one of those who represent a major problem we have these days in this country in thinking everything should accomadate you or adapt to you. It's all over the internet at the minute people going to parts that don't suit them usually posting comments\threads they know will get disagreed with then expecting it to change rather then doing the old fashioned thing of not going to those sites or whatever and going to sites more inline with that person.

The internet is vast and caters to all it's upto the individual to find their happy place which there are plenty of not to go somewhere and expect it to change. Free speech is fast dying in the UK because people are too thin skinned or quick to play an ism card of some sort when they don't get their way and I'm getting tired of it. I'm disabled i have had to deal with people insulting me for that in the past and I've dealt with it in one of two ways, firstly if it's a forum or other site that i know will support the people insulting me I don't go back or if like cable forum there isn't an ingrained acceptance of such behaviour i learnt not to let it get to me and got a little better at my comebacks on the very odd occasion it's needed.

What i never did was report it to admins or as a lot are doing these days the police i find that absolutely pathetic unless specific threats of violence were made by someone who knows your address. Free speech isn't meant to be easy, it isn't meant to only apply if you like it and it shouldn't be stiffled because some people are too precious.
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'It's PC gone mad' seems an apt term in this case.
I thought this only happend in the US!!!!!

"British values" offensive??

Totally insane!!!
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