Coronavirus (OLD)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Surely that alleged spying is a form of seeking collaboration. They were seeking information, which with collaboration would theoretically occur anyway.

I'm assuming that comment is being made firmly tongue in cheek.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Eg the claim was made that the government were advised to start lockdown a week earlier. When you actually look at the FACTS, they were merely advised on the 16th or 18th to do so "as soon as possible". It was announced on the 23rd. So possibly told on the Wednesday, take a few days to consider, decide, and plan, and it was announced on the following Monday(weekend getting in the way?).

I'm afraid Coronavirus doesn't take holidays. "take a few days to consider" "weekend getting in the way" are poor excuses. They should have and could have moved far quicker.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm assuming that comment is being made firmly tongue in cheek.

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I'm afraid Coronavirus doesn't take holidays. "take a few days to consider" "weekend getting in the way" are poor excuses. They should have and could have moved far quicker.

If only they had had senior Government advisors attending the meetings, who could have escalated the urgency to those in charge...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman
Nomadking it's your shall we say, selective, use of facts and the opinions you offer around them. You frame assumptions around them always in favour of the Government.

Indeed, in 6080 posts I'm struggling to think of a time you've ever offered an opinion against them.

Originally Posted by ianch99

To be fair that is the normal around here. There are few notable exceptions to this ..

... and fanatically so.

[jfman]

Yes Seph, I agree I am fanatically exceptional.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jfman

So a lockdown could simply be implemented overnight?

This is not a fact. It’s your selective opinion. Indeed, it was announced and implemented, literally overnight. At 8.30pm Monday to stay at home on Tuesday.

What you offer is tedious nonsense copied and pasted, devoid of analysis to the extent where as long as we aren’t the worst performer, under any basis, of any policy, you’d cite the worst example.

I aspire to more than second last.

I doubt that many read it any more tbh. The tediousness even extends to the layout.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I doubt that many read it any more tbh. The tediousness even extends to the layout.

Indeed.

I cannot comprehend why anyone would put themselves out there to be demonstrably wrong on so many occasions. This is neither luck, nor chance. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This is wilful disinformation and dishonestly of the most absurd degree.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Yes Seph, I agree I am fanatically exceptional.

I must take exception to that remark.

[1andrew1]

Patients who recovered from CV-19 counted as dead in UK stats?

An urgent review has been ordered into how daily coronavirus death figures are calculated after it was claimed the current method did not account for people recovering from COVID-19.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock has asked for the examination of Public Health England's (PHE) data - said by researchers to include a "statistical anomaly" by which "no one can ever recover from COVID-19 in England".

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-data-12030392

Poor show from the Trump administration on Coronavirus again.

Trump press secretary says 'science should not stand in the way' of schools reopening
The White House press secretary has revived Donald Trump's calls for schools to reopen, saying "the science should not stand in the way of this".
Echoing the president's push for pupils to return to classrooms, Kayleigh McEnany said "we don't think children should be locked up at home, with devastating consequences".
"You know, the president has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open," said Ms McEnany...
The fresh effort to send children back to classrooms comes despite a new poll showing most Americans do not think it is safe.

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pre...ening-12030212[

[downquark1]

This is out of context if you listen to the full statement. She was arguing the science doesn't stand in the way.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

So a lockdown could simply be implemented overnight?

This is not a fact. It’s your selective opinion. Indeed, it was announced and implemented, literally overnight. At 8.30pm Monday to stay at home on Tuesday.

What you offer is tedious nonsense copied and pasted, devoid of analysis to the extent where as long as we aren’t the worst performer, under any basis, of any policy, you’d cite the worst example.

I aspire to more than second last.

Which Monday and Tuesday are you talking about? The advice to lockdown "as soon as possible" was given on the 16th or 18th March. The lockdown was announced on the 23rd. Other measures were already in place. Not sure why I should be criticised for posting quotes of the TRUTH of what was or wasn't said.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by downquark1

This is out of context if you listen to the full statement. She was arguing the science doesn't stand in the way.

I've got some sympathy for people mis-speaking in live situations but I don't think you can say it's safe in all states for the schools to re-open although it's very desirable and may need alternative approaches eg school split into separate shifts.

[denphone]

Larger gatherings allowed from October in PM press briefing.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-wave-12030417

Further openings announced

Anyone can use public transport from now, the PM says.

From 1 August, updates about going to work will be announced. Employers will be given more discretion, which could mean working from home or could mean working from the work place after it is made COVID secure.

Most remaining leisure settings, bowling, skating rinks, casinos and beauticians can resume from 1 August.

Night clubs and soft play areas need to be kept closed.

Wedding receptions for up to 30 people will be allowed.

Oudoor performances can also begin.

From October, large concerts will be allowed.

More key points.

Employers to get discretion on how staff can work safely

PM says more people will be encouraged to use public transport

NHS to get £3m more for potential second wave

Stadia and conferences may reopen from October

Local authorities to get new powers to shut premises and cancel events

Central government to get powers to prevent people leaving or entering areas during local lockdowns

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I've got some sympathy for people mis-speaking in live situations but I don't think you can say it's safe in all states for the schools to re-open although it's very desirable and may need alternative approaches eg school split into separate shifts.

If you want to dispute that fine, but that is a different claim that the science should obey Trump.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Which Monday and Tuesday are you talking about? The advice to lockdown "as soon as possible" was given on the 16th or 18th March. The lockdown was announced on the 23rd. Other measures were already in place. Not sure why I should be criticised for posting quotes of the TRUTH of what was or wasn't said.

Posting TRUTH in capital letters doesn’t elevate your opinion from being just that. Opinion. An opinion that always, without fail, sways in favour of one end of the political spectrum.

What are you all arguing about?Is it adding anything to this thread?Apart from confusion.