Brexit (Old) - Page 395

nomadking · 08-01-2019, 08:45

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Meanwhile here are some of thing things that being part of the EU has brought us.

1. Paid Annual leave
2. Maternity leave
3. Equal pay
4. Sickness Rights
5. Cheaper flights
6. Abolition of roaming charges.
7.Parental leave
8. Healthcare whilst on holiday

The list goes on, and on, and on.

To all those who would jump in and say 'we would have had those with or without the EU' save your breath's you have no evidence whatsoever to support that claim

Most of those existed BEFORE they were EU directives and are there to make sure that other EU countries are economically hampered by rules that Germany sets for itself.
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Maternity leave policies in EU Member States are governed by the
1992 Pregnant Workers Directive

UK

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Social responsibility for women’s health during childbearing was first recognised through the 1911 National Insurance Act.

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The UK introduced its first maternity leave legislation through the Employment Protection Act 1975, which was extended through further legislation, such as The Employment Act 1980.

The UK introduced it 81 or 17 years before the EU.

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During the 1970s, the provision of maternity leave had been introduced in many European countries.

**Mick** · 08-01-2019, 08:48

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Meanwhile here are some of thing things that being part of the EU has brought us.

1. Paid Annual leave
2. Maternity leave
3. Equal pay
4. Sickness Rights
5. Cheaper flights
6. Abolition of roaming charges.
7.Parental leave
8. Healthcare whilst on holiday

The list goes on, and on, and on.

To all those who would jump in and say 'we would have had those with or without the EU' save your breath's you have no evidence whatsoever to support that claim

This list does nothing to remove the corruption within the EU and my desire to leave such a cancerous union. I voted to leave, leave won the democratic result, so leave we must, unless of course you want to abuse democracy and keep having referendums until you get the result you want ?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Btw wasn't it a leaver that made the ww3 'prediction'

Nope, it was a Remainer - Former Prime Minister, David Cameron, himself...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ld-war-7928607

Pierre · 08-01-2019, 08:48

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I have absolutely no problem with leaving the EU if the people choose even by the original margin. What I have an issue is that people made a decision without having the facts in front of them.

We’ve already thrashed this particular point out.

There are no material facts that we know now that we didn’t know then.

But feel free to try and come up with some.

**Damien** · 08-01-2019, 08:49

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Originally Posted by denphone

Utterly reprehensible.

https://news.sky.com/story/anna-soub...ament-11601496

I have no idea why the police let them get so close and continue to harass her like that. To anyone that is a deeply concerning and intimidating situation but considering she is an elected MP the security needs to be better.

Pierre · 08-01-2019, 08:51

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Originally Posted by jfman

Surely in fighting and dying for freedom that includes the freedom to change their minds.

Being stuck to an ideologically driven and economically damaging because at one point in time and in the absence of facts a decision was made once sounds like exactly the kind of fascism we fought against. The Nazis won an election in 1933, after all.

What facts were absent? We’ve done this and as I recall there may have been 1no. Item, that’s all.

**Mick** · 08-01-2019, 08:52

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Totally agree!

What on earth are the police doing allowing these thugs to verbally assault an MP outside Parliament especially after the Jo Cox killing.

Disgusting ..

I am sorry where is your fake outrage when JRM and his children were mob handed by the hard-left not many moons ago ?

I have no sympathy for Anna Soubry, she is a liar who was elected and stood on a manifesto honouring the Brexit result. She deserves all she gets, people are bloody angry out there and rightfully so - it will only manifest itself to greater levels if Brexit is halted by democracy abusers.

Pierre · 08-01-2019, 08:53

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Originally Posted by jfman

If leaving the EU was economically a good idea the Conservatives would have an agreed position - however they don’t. Politicians have a survival instinct where they don’t want to lose elections and they know the damage will leave them all fighting for their political lives.

Economics was not the overriding factor in the decision.

It was in there but was a good way down the list.

TheDaddy · 08-01-2019, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Mick

This list does nothing to remove the corruption within the EU and my desire to leave such a cancerous union. I voted to leave, leave won the democratic result, so leave we must, unless of course you want to abuse democracy and keep having referendums until you get the result you want ?

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Nope, it was a Remainer - Former Prime Minister, David Cameron, himself...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ld-war-7928607

Sounds like I remember it, call me Dave banging on about peace and stability in Europe and mop haired flop equating it to ww3, would have been better if they'd both just kept quiet imo

1andrew1 · 08-01-2019, 08:59

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Was I answering you or the poster?

Soros has made a damn site more than anyone on trades suggested by Andrew or yourself but at least one of you want Farage up front!

You quoted jfman so yes, you were replying to him. Making money by shorting the Pound is not market manipulation.

nomadking · 08-01-2019, 08:59

There was at least one case(in Northampton) of a Leave campaign meeting having to be cancelled because of the threat of violence against Leave supporters. Not much fuss was made over that.

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Nigel Farage was forced to cancel an appearance in Northampton today, as tensions flared ahead of his visit.
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A group of around 30 activists chanting 'refugees are welcome here' and carrying banners saying 'no to Ukip' blocked the entrance to the Market Square, where Farage was expected to arrive as part of his Brexit bus tour of the UK.

**Damien** · 08-01-2019, 09:01

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Originally Posted by Mick

I am sorry where is your fake outrage when JRM and his children were mob handed by the hard-left not many moons ago ?

I have no sympathy for Anna Soubry, she is a liar who was elected and stood on a manifesto honouring the Brexit result. She deserves all she gets, people are bloody angry out there and rightfully so - it will only manifest itself to greater levels if Brexit is halted by democracy abusers.

No she doesn't 'deserve all she gets'. She is an elected MP and we settle these things by elections. Not intimidation, rape threats and abuse. You can't go on about democracy all the time and advocate intimation and threats as a method of political action, that's not democracy it's thuggery.

1andrew1 · 08-01-2019, 09:05

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Originally Posted by Mick

I am sorry where is your fake outrage when JRM and his children were mob handed by the hard-left not many moons ago ?

I have no sympathy for Anna Soubry, she is a liar who was elected and stood on a manifesto honouring the Brexit result. She deserves all she gets, people are bloody angry out there and rightfully so - it will only manifest itself to greater levels if Brexit is halted by democracy abusers.

No one deserves that whatever their politics. Anger should not equal abuse but quite why any remainer should be angry is beyond me if they're confident that we're leaving at the end of March.

denphone · 08-01-2019, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Damien

I have no idea why the police let them get so close and continue to harass her like that. To anyone that is a deeply concerning and intimidating situation but considering she is an elected MP the security needs to be better.

Sadly unless the authorities start to crack down harder it might not be long before we have another Jo Cox on our hands.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No one deserves that whatever their politics. Anger should not equal abuse but quite why any remainer should be angry is beyond me if they're confident that we're leaving at the end of March.

Protests are fine as that is what one would expect in a normal democracy but once you step into the realms of abuse and hate then one never knows where it will end.

**Mick** · 08-01-2019, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Damien

No she doesn't 'deserve all she gets'. She is an elected MP and we settle these things by elections. Not intimidation, rape threats and abuse. You can't go on about democracy all the time and advocate intimation and threats as a method of political action, that's not democracy it's thuggery.

More fake outrage - seen enough of it - as I said I have no sympathy for her at all. I was not aware of the Rape threats, so do not levy that at me, I am on about Anna being shouted outside parliament and being called a liar and a Nazi.

It's suddenly not okay to call the other side a Nazi, dear me, when people on the right and Brexiteers themselves have been associated with such a term since the leave result.

denphone · 08-01-2019, 09:10

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Originally Posted by nomadking

There was at least one case(in Northampton) of a Leave campaign meeting having to be cancelled because of the threat of violence against Leave supporters. Not much fuss was made over that.

And there are no excuses for that either..