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Old 26-04-2022, 00:05   #1456
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Old 26-04-2022, 00:45   #1457
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AIUI, those who post inappropriate things on the internet will be expected to be dealt with by site owners & managers.
Once again I have to point out that "inappropriate things" is completely subjective - inappropriate in whos opinion exactly ?

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This action will be expected whether or not the offending material has been brought to their attention.
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How does anyone take action on something they know nothing about ?
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Old 26-04-2022, 09:12   #1458
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Once again I have to point out that "inappropriate things" is completely subjective - inappropriate in whos opinion exactly ?


Now you really are taking the pee.
How does anyone take action on something they know nothing about ?
1) The Gov. will probably appoint a 'minister for action against inappropriate internet use' . . who will then have as backup a 10 person panel drawn from the minority groups in the UK (which now seem to have the majority of influence in the UK)


2) The phrase "ignorance is no excuse" could be getting a fair bit of use
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Old 26-04-2022, 14:29   #1460
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Once again I have to point out that "inappropriate things" is completely subjective - inappropriate in whos opinion exactly ?


Now you really are taking the pee.
How does anyone take action on something they know nothing about ?
Common sense will dictate what is clearly inappropriate, for example bullying, harrassment, encouragement of suicide etc.

Some things less so, depending upon the attitude/life experiences of site owners/managers. This is where extra training would be useful. I've seen nothing to suggest that the Government will be providing any, but that's not to say they won't be doing so. Perhaps private companies will offer this??

An example of a scenario where it may not be immediately obvious that published comments are offensive/inappropriate could be where a member of a forum/chat room/social media platform is deliberately vague, yet repeatedly & deliberately disparaging about minority groups.

The law will indeed expect inappropriate material to be removed, even where it hasn't been reported.

Amendments to the t&c"s and rules are probably good places to start to prevent the material from being published in the first place.

Other measures could include revisiting the lists of banned words, AI, pro-active (as opposed to re-active) moderation.

These last two are things that you already do on your own site to prevent people from publishing inappropriate remarks.

I do hope that the Government make it clear what is expected of everybody concerned. This is why my personal opinion is that extra training is made available for site managers/moderators etc.

This is essential as the law has been designed, not to cover every specific situation rigidly, but to be flexible enough to be able to deal with current and future scenarios.

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Common sense will dictate what is clearly inappropriate
Whos "common sense" ? Yours ? Mine ? Vladimir Putins ?
There is no such thing as 'common' sense, because peoples views are not 'common'.

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The law will indeed expect inappropriate material to be removed, even where it hasn't been reported.
A law that is impossible to achive is unenforcable.
You have not answered the question, hows does anyone remove something they dont know about ?
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Old 26-04-2022, 17:16   #1462
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I looked out of the window today and saw a blackbird feeding on the lawn

Just thought I'd mention it before it becomes an abusive remark
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Old 26-04-2022, 18:22   #1463
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I looked out of the window today and saw a blackbird feeding on the lawn

Just thought I'd mention it before it becomes an abusive remark
Are we feeling a little sensitive?

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Are we feeling a little sensitive?

Just naffed off with . . .



oh it doesn't matter (again). I'll hopefully be gone from this world by the time everyone figures out where it all went wrong
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

The new owner of Twitter says he intends to relax moderation of the site, leading to fears of abusive comments & misinformation (BBC News).

This could cause problems for UK users after the online safety bill becomes law. He hasn't made any reference to this, so I don't think it's due to an intention to directly challenge it, but nevertheless, it will be interesting to see what happens.

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Whos "common sense" ? Yours ? Mine ? Vladimir Putins ?
There is no such thing as 'common' sense, because peoples views are not 'common'.


A law that is impossible to achive is unenforcable.
You have not answered the question, hows does anyone remove something they dont know about ?
I take common sense to mean a view that any reasonable person of average intelligence would take. Using my earlier examples, I doubt that there are many sites that would tolerate harrassment, bullying etc of minority groups or user generated content that encourages suicide.

The police once visited a bar owner to speak to him about allegations of drug selling/taking on the premises. His response was that he didn't have eyes in the back of his head and that he couldn't be expected to be everywhere at once. "Yes, you are if you have a licence to sell alcohol" was the response from the police".

I expect a similar response from the Government.

A number of sites are already preparing themselves to ensure compliance by retraining moderators/management of sites & reviewing their rules, acceptable use policies etc to try and prevent any issues occurring in the first place.

My personal opinion isn't really relevant though and I would advise site owners and anyone involved in managing them to contact their new regulator if there's anything that they aren't sure about as the penalties for non compliance can be severe (and sanctions can be imposed on individuals as opposed to the companies/owners themselves).
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The new owner of Twitter says he intends to relax moderation of the site, leading to fears of abusive comments & misinformation (BBC News).

This could cause problems for UK users after the online safety bill becomes law. He hasn't made any reference to this, so I don't think it's due to an intention to directly challenge it, but nevertheless, it will be interesting to see what happens.

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I take common sense to mean a view that any reasonable person of average intelligence would take. Using my earlier examples, I doubt that there are many sites that would tolerate harrassment, bullying etc of minority groups or user generated content that encourages suicide.

The police once visited a bar owner to speak to him about allegations of drug selling/taking on the premises. His response was that he didn't have eyes in the back of his head and that he couldn't be expected to be everywhere at once. "Yes, you are if you have a licence to sell alcohol" was the response from the police".

I expect a similar response from the Government.

A number of sites are already preparing themselves to ensure compliance by retraining moderators/management of sites & reviewing their rules, acceptable use policies etc to try and prevent any issues occurring in the first place.

My personal opinion isn't really relevant though and I would advise site owners and anyone involved in managing them to contact their new regulator if there's anything that they aren't sure about as the penalties for non compliance can be severe (and sanctions can be imposed on individuals as opposed to the companies/owners themselves).
Which sites?
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Which sites?
I don't know, this was stated in an answer to something else that I asked my contact about at Ofcom.

I personally think that many sites will be waiting until just before the bill becomes law and/or any guidance is issued, so that they know exactly what's expected of them.
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The new owner of Twitter says he intends to relax moderation of the site, leading to fears of abusive comments & misinformation (BBC News).
any more than currently?

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I take common sense to mean a view that any reasonable person of average intelligence would take.
define “average intelligence”

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Using my earlier examples, I doubt that there are many sites that would tolerate harrassment, bullying etc of minority groups or user generated content that encourages suicide.
define harassment & bullying, define minority groups.
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