Police to get tough on internet trolls.

[Carth]

Crikey, that's an awful lot of things (but nowhere near completely exhaustive) showing just how careful we have to be when communicating over the internet.

I'm now pretty sure that I've been bullied on many occasions, however proving it was bullying - instead of humerous banter which it used to be - is no doubt going to be a problem.

Physical abuse is also something I suffered a few times at school, but I guess I can't do anything about that as it was before 'the cane' was outlawed deemed to be inapropriate . . much the same as the clip around the ear I had from the villiage bobby a few times.

Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk, I'll just have to learn to live with it.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Carth

Crikey, that's an awful lot of things (but nowhere near completely exhaustive) showing just how careful we have to be when communicating over the internet.

I'm now pretty sure that I've been bullied on many occasions, however proving it was bullying - instead of humerous banter which it used to be - is no doubt going to be a problem.

Physical abuse is also something I suffered a few times at school, but I guess I can't do anything about that as it was before 'the cane' was outlawed deemed to be inapropriate . . much the same as the clip around the ear I had from the villiage bobby a few times.

Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk, I'll just have to learn to live with it.

Sometimes a claim of banter is made in an attempt to try and get away with bullying. The best person to ask which it actually is (whether meant as a joke or otherwise) is the recipient themselves as it is they who get to decide.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Sometimes a claim of banter is made in an attempt to try and get away with bullying. The best person to ask which it actually is (whether meant as a joke or otherwise) is the recipient themselves as it is they who get to decide.

Yes I think I understand that, however my 60+ years experience has shown me that one persons joke is another persons slur, and in this day and age (online) it's especially difficult to identify and cater for your 'target audience' to ensure the joke (or humerous aside) isn't taken the wrong way.

There are thousands (well maybe not) of recent examples where people are apologising profusely because they didn't fully evaluate the target audience (the public in many cases).

I often have trouble because I'm an old fuddy duddy set in his ways, and find it difficult to adapt to the new rules and things being rolled out every week or so . . I even now have to convert metric measurements into imperial so I understand how big or small something is . . if you over estimate a delivery of wet concrete you're in trouble

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Carth

Yes I think I understand that, however my 60+ years experience has shown me that one persons joke is another persons slur, and in this day and age (online) it's especially difficult to identify and cater for your 'target audience' to ensure the joke (or humerous aside) isn't taken the wrong way.

There are thousands (well maybe not) of recent examples where people are apologising profusely because they didn't fully evaluate the target audience (the public in many cases).

I often have trouble because I'm an old fuddy duddy set in his ways, and find it difficult to adapt to the new rules and things being rolled out every week or so . . I even now have to convert metric measurements into imperial so I understand how big or small something is . . if you over estimate a delivery of wet concrete you're in trouble

True. I know of a guy who is loosing his hair and is the first to make a joke out of it and has no problem with receiving jokes about it either.

Another is extremely embarrassed & self conscious about it and would be mortified & deeply upset if the same things were said to him. It's often the case that it's not what you say, but who it's said to, what is meant by it and how it's said.

It's probably better to get to know someone first before making a joke about something that could be taken as a personal slur and to take note if a genuine joke is taken the wrong way.

Im not reading the whole thing, but this caught my eye, and shows just how clueless they are ;

If you post abuse about anyone else online or if you send threats, you can be traced by the police without any difficulty. Every time you visit a website or make a posting, your internet service provider, Sky, BT or Virgin, has an electronic note of your activity. Even if create an anonymous email address like Gmail, Hotmail or Yahoo, you can still be traced.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Paul

Im not reading the whole thing, but this caught my eye, and shows just how clueless they are ;

As you can see Paul as you would have access to the ip details of anyone who posts here i would expect you will see i am presently posting from the USA, however tomorrow i might be in Egypt or France or even Morocco. You know who my provider is so you know that this is not my real IP. My point here is to demonstrate that if i was so inclined to post something wrong the police would not be able to find my details as the VPN provider does NOT keep the details of user IP's.

If you have a GOOD VPN then you could post what you want and they would find it almost impossible to trace you if they are behind a good VPN.

Note i don't post crap on the internet as it is not my way. However i use a vpn because i cannot stand the snooping that goes on.

The ISP's and i work for one so i have a good idea of how it works and you know what i do for them, are not allowed to read what's in the packets of your internet traffic if you are using HTTPS, this is why Phorm was never allowed to run there service over here as some classed it as a man in the middle attack. They will have my IP but any posts on forums or social media will record the IP give by the VPN .

for those that do not know who or what Phorm was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorm

TLDR

When you route your internet traffic through a VPN, your ISP is no longer able to track the specifics of your browsing. It only sees that you are exchanging packages with the VPN server. Think of it like using a neighbor to send your mail. Everything you send out is addressed to them. They send it on. The mail carrier only deals with the delivery to the neighbors. Then, when a package returns, the carrier takes it to a neighbor without knowing it will continue on to your door. With a VPN, your ISP has no clue if you’re visiting Facebook, a banking site, Netflix, your competitor’s sites, gaming sites, etc.

[Carth]

I guess using TOR is the same thing, re-routes the traffic

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Carth

I guess using TOR is the same thing, re-routes the traffic

Not sure, i was told that using TOR marks you as someone to watch. I might have gotten the wrong end of the stick over that however


I do know that there are more and more people deciding to use a vpn.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Not sure, i was told that using TOR marks you as someone to watch. I might have gotten the wrong end of the stick over that however


I do know that there are more and more people deciding to use a vpn.

Yeah, I believe that TOR, due to it's 'reputation' is quite closely monitored by certain agencies looking for those using inroads to the naughty side of the internet, however I know quite a few people that use it as their default browser because of it's privacy/non tracking features . . which are probably now no better than some other mainstream browsers, or in fact a half decent free VPN.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Carth

Yeah, I believe that TOR, due to it's 'reputation' is quite closely monitored by certain agencies looking for those using inroads to the naughty side of the internet, however I know quite a few people that use it as their default browser because of it's privacy/non tracking features . . which are probably now no better than some other mainstream browsers, or in fact a half decent free VPN.

The best free VPN although limited to 10Gb/month. Choice of 10 countries and no records kept.

https://windscribe.com/features/use-for-free

Paid options here.

https://windscribe.com/upgrade

Originally Posted by Sirius

As you can see Paul as you would have access to the ip details of anyone who posts here i would expect you will see i am presently posting from the USA

Virginia, US to be more exact, I hope the weather is nice.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Sometimes a claim of banter is made in an attempt to try and get away with bullying. The best person to ask which it actually is (whether meant as a joke or otherwise) is the recipient themselves as it is they who get to decide.

The very worst person actually.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Russ

The very worst person actually.

I disagree Russ. If someone makes a personal joke with no malicious intent, but the recipient finds it offensive, it's better for the person who made the remark to have it drawn to their intention (in a right manner) so that they know not to do it again. If they went on to do it again regardless, this would clearly show that the intent was in fact malicious.

This could have legal implications should this be aimed at someone in a 'protected group', though legislation is in force to also protect those who aren't as well.

[Russ]

It needs to be by someone independent, objective and not emotionally involved. They are best places to decide whether or not a joke is “personal” and with malicious intent

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I disagree Russ. If someone makes a personal joke with no malicious intent, but the recipient finds it offensive, it's better for the person who made the remark to have it drawn to their intention (in a right manner) so that they know not to do it again. If they went on to do it again regardless, this would clearly show that the intent was in fact malicious.

This could have legal implications should this be aimed at someone in a 'protected group', though legislation is in force to also protect those who aren't as well.

What legislation protects someone from a joke?