01-12-2018, 17:00
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Quantum Brexit.
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Schrödinger's Brexit - it is both dead and alive at the same time, and we won't know how the superposition collapses into one or another of the possible definite outcomes until we open the box...
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02-12-2018, 02:50
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Recent examples to support this line and a definition of "they" will assist further discussion.
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Those preparing the economic forecasts, Andrew. Of course. Do you seriously deny that they have been getting their forecasts wrong? Time and again?
I prefer to live in the real world, and I see a bright future for us all outside of the bureaucratic, undemocratic EU.
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02-12-2018, 09:22
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Those preparing the economic forecasts, Andrew. Of course. Do you seriously deny that they have been getting their forecasts wrong? Time and again?
I prefer to live in the real world, and I see a bright future for us all outside of the bureaucratic, undemocratic EU.
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Provide some evidence and I'll believe you. Not baseless accusations. I prefer to live in the real world of facts and not hearsay.
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02-12-2018, 09:53
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Re: Brexit
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Britain would be trapped “indefinitely” in a customs union with Brussels if MPs back Theresa May’s Brexit deal, according to leaked details of the attorney-general’s legal advice, which the government has suppressed.
Senior ministers say the prime minister is refusing to publish the advice because it contains a stark passage that makes clear the UK could end up locked in a “backstop” arrangement with the European Union.
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...-may-r9wmh0v89
No wonder the Govt. want this legal advice 'kept quiet'. It's out now anyway so they might aswell publish.
Seemed to have been leaked from within the cabinet - surprise, surprise ! (#oilysnakegove). The vultures are circling round TM !
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02-12-2018, 09:57
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...-may-r9wmh0v89
No wonder the Govt. want this legal advice 'kept quiet'. It's out now anyway so they might aswell publish.
Seemed to have been leaked from within the cabinet - surprise, surprise ! (#oilysnakegove). The vultures are circling round TM !
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02-12-2018, 09:58
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Re: Brexit
It seems that the Attorney General agrees with us!
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02-12-2018, 09:59
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by djfunkdup
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You might have to reset/suspend that clock at some point
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02-12-2018, 10:03
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Provide some evidence and I'll believe you. Not baseless accusations. I prefer to live in the real world of facts and not hearsay.
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Good for you, it's never too late to try something new
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02-12-2018, 10:08
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by jfman
Those who scream about sovereignty do so, until they realise that Parliament is sovereign above all. If Parliament votes instruct the Government to remain, and the Government ignores the will of Parliament in favour of a non-binding advisory referendum we can look forward to a) a general election and b) a Brexit vote in 2019.
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Parliament voted to give this specific decision to the electorate. Parliament subsequently voted to enact the result of the referendum.
So the result referendum is no longer “advisory”
If parliament vote the deal down, which they can do, it doesn’t change the law, and we will still leave in March.
Parliament voting no to the deal is not a vote to remain.
There would have to be a Parliamentary vote on whether to stay in or out. Considering Parliament have already voted to leave ( the result of which I don’t recall being conditional on what type of deal, if any, we ended up with) it would be the greatest betrayal ever seen in modern Western politics.
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02-12-2018, 10:29
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mr K
You might have to reset/suspend that clock at some point
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You have been saying that for nearly 2 years mate .Still counting down and nothing stopping it .. Not even santa as i know that's what you asked him for xmass
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02-12-2018, 10:32
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Parliament voted to give this specific decision to the electorate. Parliament subsequently voted to enact the result of the referendum.
So the result referendum is no longer “advisory”
If parliament vote the deal down, which they can do, it doesn’t change the law, and we will still leave in March.
Parliament voting no to the deal is not a vote to remain.
There would have to be a Parliamentary vote on whether to stay in or out. Considering Parliament have already voted to leave ( the result of which I don’t recall being conditional on what type of deal, if any, we ended up with) it would be the greatest betrayal ever seen in modern Western politics.
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How many times should Parliament vote on the deal?
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02-12-2018, 10:40
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Provide some evidence and I'll believe you. Not baseless accusations. I prefer to live in the real world of facts and not hearsay.
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There are not sufficient 'facts' that can be used to prove the point, because we are looking to the future. We only have forecasts based on whatever assumptions people want to put into the mix.
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02-12-2018, 10:47
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
How many times should Parliament vote on the deal?
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Well, they have this upcoming vote.
If nothing changes post vote, I.e there is no re-negotiated deal, then there is nothing to have a vote on, and we leave in March.
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02-12-2018, 10:55
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
There are not sufficient 'facts' that can be used to prove the point, because we are looking to the future. We only have forecasts based on whatever assumptions people want to put into the mix.
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I'm just asking you to back up your statement below with evidence:
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
And they still keep getting it wrong. Time after time after time. Plenty of evidence for that.
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02-12-2018, 11:14
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Parliament voted to give this specific decision to the electorate. Parliament subsequently voted to enact the result of the referendum.
So the result referendum is no longer “advisory”
If parliament vote the deal down, which they can do, if it doesn’t change the law, and we will still leave in March.
Parliament voting no to the deal is not yet a vote to remain.
There would have to be a Parliamentary vote on whether to stay in or out. Considering Parliament have already voted to leave ( the result of which I don’t recall being conditional on what type of deal, if any, we ended up with) it would be seen by some asthe greatest betrayal ever seen in modern Western politics.
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I’ve put some fixes in bold.
Almost everything Parliament does is conditional, it can change it’s mind on the basis of any new facts it pleases. Outright remaining is betrayal, a second referendum that remain wins less so. Which is why you are so terrified of it.
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