Brexit

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Angua

Irrelevant. If we leave the EU this means we have no MEPs.

Even leaving with a customs union AKA the Turkish version is a hard Brexit or BRINO still means no MEPs.

Exactly. Comedy gold to see the moving definition of Brexit.

Originally Posted by Angua

Irrelevant. If we leave the EU this means we have no MEPs.

Even leaving with a customs union AKA the Turkish version is a hard Brexit or BRINO still means no MEPs.

Then simples, you obviously haven’t been paying proper attention....

Brexit Party becomes a fully fledged political party because the WA, as stated previously and is very much relevant actually, despite your erroneous claim that it’s not, is not Brexit.

In actual fact, I do believe Brexit Party will contest in Peterborough by-election on June 6th, after that criminal MP was ousted by constituents petitioning for her removal. So your question of funding is rather redundant, given Brexit Party is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Exactly. Comedy gold to see the moving definition of Brexit.

The comedy gold will be seeing those Remainers faces when they see their attempts to thwart democracy finally failing and we have a political party that stands up to the **** dictators in the EU and we walk away, without looking back.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Angua

Irrelevant. If we leave the EU this means we have no MEPs.

Even leaving with a customs union AKA the Turkish version is a hard Brexit or BRINO still means no MEPs.

It's not irrelevant because this shows how strongly people feel that Brexit should be implemented. If we actually get to participate in the EU elections it will provide the answer that some people are seeking from a second referendum on whether we should remain or leave.

Not the answer they want to hear, though!

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Exactly. Comedy gold to see the moving definition of Brexit.

It is not a laughing matter. People are fearful, frustrated and angry about the failure to implement Brexit.

Brexiteers have not re-defined Brexit. It's only the Remainers fighting this that appear confused, although the agitators are just trying to muddy the waters. Shame on them.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's not irrelevant because this shows how strongly people feel that Brexit should be implemented. If we actually get to participate in the EU elections it will provide the answer that some people are seeking from a second referendum on whether we should remain or leave.

Not the answer they want to hear, though!

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It is not a laughing matter. People are fearful, frustrated and angry about the failure to implement Brexit.

Brexiteers have not re-defined Brexit. It's only the Remainers fighting this that appear confused, although the agitators are just trying to muddy the waters. Shame on them.

As Brexit was never defined in the first place, EVERYONE has their own individual idea of what this should look like.

Yet again, we come back to the old chestnut of Brexit = leave the EU. As we've found out there are many ways in which the EU can be left.

People who say leaving means leaving without a deal, that's fine, That is their interpretation however.

PS. Why would people be fearful about not leaving the EU? Frustrated and angry i can understand, but fearful ?

[Angua]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

As Brexit was never defined in the first place, EVERYONE has their own individual idea of what this should look like.

Yet again, we come back to the old chestnut of Brexit = leave the EU. As we've found out there are many ways in which the EU can be left.

People who say leaving means leaving without a deal, that's fine, That is their interpretation however.

PS. Why would people be fearful about not leaving the EU? Frustrated and angry i can understand, but fearful ?

Those that think No Deal is the only acceptable Brexit are frustrated by MPs who know this would be the worst version. The majority of MPs are not blocking Brexit, just blocking No Deal Brexit.

What they cannot agree on, is what sort of negotiated Brexit to accept.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

As Brexit was never defined in the first place, EVERYONE has their own individual idea of what this should look like.

Yet again, we come back to the old chestnut of Brexit = leave the EU. As we've found out there are many ways in which the EU can be left.

People who say leaving means leaving without a deal, that's fine, That is their interpretation however.

PS. Why would people be fearful about not leaving the EU? Frustrated and angry i can understand, but fearful ?

We can keep coming to this old argument again and again and I certainly knew which Brexit I wanted, it wasn't described before Brexit, as hard or soft, nor was is half in, half out. When I expect to leave something, that means exactly that.

I fear nothing - but I do not want my country to be associated or connected to any United States of Europe, which is what the EU has repeatedly aspired to become. But the EU is not a Democratic institution, it certainly expects it's members to follow their way and if we vote on something they don't like, they want us to keep on voting until they get the result they want. Why on Earth do Remainers want to be associated with such corruption and disgusting antics from the EU... They keep saying we should stay and reform, the EU don't want to reform, they made that crystal clear to David Cameron when he tried.

Our democracy is far more better than this, or at least it should be, we should grow a backbone and leave the EU.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mick

We can keep coming to this old argument again and again and I certainly knew which Brexit I wanted, it wasn't described before Brexit, as hard or soft, nor was is half in, half out. When I expect to leave something, that means exactly that.

I fear nothing - but I do not want my country to be associated or connected to any United States of Europe, which is what the EU has repeatedly aspired to become. But the EU is not a Democratic institution, it certainly expects it's members to follow their way and if we vote on something they don't like, they want us to keep on voting until they get the result they want. Why on Earth do Remainers want to be associated with such corruption and disgusting antics from the EU... They keep saying we should stay and reform, the EU don't want to reform, they made that crystal clear to David Cameron when he tried.

Our democracy is far more better than this, or at least it should be, we should grow a backbone and leave the EU.

Hi Mick.

Thats my point, because it was never explicitly defined as to what leaving the EU entails then everyone's interpretation of what leave means is correct.

It's the governments (at the time) fault for failing to define the parameters of what leave actually meant and would happen.

I have my reasons why i want to remain, you have your reasons for wanting to leave and never the twain shall meet, however, it doesn't make either of our reasons any less valid

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Originally Posted by Angua

Those that think No Deal is the only acceptable Brexit are frustrated by MPs who know this would be the worst version. The majority of MPs are not blocking Brexit, just blocking No Deal Brexit.

What they cannot agree on, is what sort of negotiated Brexit to accept.

Not true, they've blocked no deal Brexit and they've blocked May's version of Brexit (three times now)

[Angua]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Hi Mick.

Thats my point, because it was never explicitly defined as to what leaving the EU entails then everyone's interpretation of what leave means is correct.

It's the governments (at the time) fault for failing to define the parameters of what leave actually meant and would happen.

I have my reasons why i want to remain, you have your reasons for wanting to leave and never the twain shall meet, however, it doesn't make either of our reasons any less valid

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Not true, they've blocked no deal Brexit and they've blocked May's version of Brexit (three times now)

Okay, they have agreed No Deal and May's Deal are unacceptable. They seem to agree that Brexit will happen, somehow, someday.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Angua

Okay, they have agreed No Deal and May's Deal are unacceptable. They seem to agree that Brexit will happen, somehow, someday.

The key word that's missing from that statement that almost all politicians are using is 'believe'

All parties are more focused on protecting their current power, or looking at how they can utilize the situation to win power for themselves. If i was a leaver i'd be annoyed as hell, but I'm not, so, erm I'm not

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Hi Mick.

Thats my point, because it was never explicitly defined as to what leaving the EU entails then everyone's interpretation of what leave means is correct.

It's the governments (at the time) fault for failing to define the parameters of what leave actually meant and would happen.

I have my reasons why i want to remain, you have your reasons for wanting to leave and never the twain shall meet, however, it doesn't make either of our reasons any less valid

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Not true, they've blocked no deal Brexit and they've blocked May's version of Brexit (three times now)

After a quick look (just to prove memory correct).

https://webarchive.nationalarchives....-if-we-leave/#

https://webarchive.nationalarchives..../publications/

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Hi Mick.

Thats my point, because it was never explicitly defined as to what leaving the EU entails then everyone's interpretation of what leave means is correct.

It's the governments (at the time) fault for failing to define the parameters of what leave actually meant and would happen.

I have my reasons why i want to remain, you have your reasons for wanting to leave and never the twain shall meet, however, it doesn't make either of our reasons any less valid

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Not true, they've blocked no deal Brexit and they've blocked May's version of Brexit (three times now)

It feels like more than three

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by pip08456

After a quick look (just to prove memory correct).

https://webarchive.nationalarchives....-if-we-leave/#

https://webarchive.nationalarchives..../publications/

Seems to substantiate my point, no clearly defined definition of what leave means.

[Sephiroth]

the opposite of Remain is not remain. Therefore the synonym is Leave.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Seems to substantiate my point, no clearly defined definition of what leave means.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

the opposite of Remain is not remain. Therefore the synonym is Leave.

Many things can be left in many ways

You can leave a table after dinner by a) eating all of the meal b) partially eating the meal

You can leave a room and a) turn the lights off or b) leave the lights on

In both cases you have still left respectively

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Seems to substantiate my point, no clearly defined definition of what leave means.

oh . . I thought the Government laid it on pretty thickly to be honest . . paid for by us mere mortals of course.

Maybe they laid it on a little too thickly considering the outcome