Labour Conference

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Did I read that right, a national minimum wage of £15 PPH, £ 28,890 per year!

And of course the differentials will have to be maintained, so somebody in a supervisory role will have to be paid more than £15/hr. Then if this is to be the minimum wage, just think what the "Living Wage" will be. More Final Salary schemes will fail as the Final salary paid out has jumped upwards without the supporting money having been paid in the past.

The average wage will shoot upwards, bringing with it the ludicrous definition of the poverty level, meaning whole hordes of people will be defined as being in "poverty", without pay going down or prices going up. Those on this new minimum wage will still be classed as being in poverty. Those currently above the poverty level will suddenly be drawn in below the new level.



Who in their right mind would want to start up a business in this country, that could be started elsewhere. You can't expect long-term investment, if even the short-term is so unknown.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Labour conference not going to plan in typical Labour fashion. Totally embarrassing, who needs to watch Peter Kay when you have this bunch of clowns?

I do wonder if it's actually a positive result for Starmer? McDonald served under Corbyn and seems to support a minimum wage close to £30k so is likely to be to the left of the Party. With many people distracted by more basic things like petrol at the moment, such a resignation will make less of an impact than it might normally do.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I do wonder if it's actually a positive result for Starmer? McDonald served under Corbyn and seems to support a minimum wage close to £30k so is likely to be to the left of the Party. With many people distracted by more basic things like petrol at the moment, such a resignation will make less of an impact than it might normally do.

It'll be a one day wonder tomorrow, though.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

A recipe for bankrupting most small employers.

and pushing prices way up, which then defeats the object of a higher wage

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Carth

and pushing prices way up, which then defeats the object of a higher wage

Which in turn makes exports less competitive and imports more competitive. Usual all-round winning policy from Labour and the Lib-Dems etc.

[Carth]

Looking forward to this one tomorrow, should raise a few chuckles I'm sure:

From 2.15pm, Shadow Home Secretary Nick Thomas Symonds will address the failures on policing and the immigration crisis by Priti Patel, and set out Labour’s approach to tackling crime.

Crime, at a guess, will be another £10billion of tax payers money to put more police on the streets to arrest criminals, and a further £8billion spent on human rights lawyers ensuring they're then set free

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It'll be a one day wonder tomorrow, though.

Starmer can pretty do anything at the moment with the pumps crisis overshadowing everything else. Infuriating if things are going well for him, useful if they're not.

Originally Posted by Carth

Looking forward to this one tomorrow, should raise a few chuckles I'm sure:

From 2.15pm, Shadow Home Secretary Nick Thomas Symonds will address the failures on policing and the immigration crisis by Priti Patel, and set out Labour’s approach to tackling crime.

Crime, at a guess, will be another £10billion of tax payers money to put more police on the streets to arrest criminals, and a further £8billion spent on human rights lawyers ensuring they're then set free

Well, they should spend more on the police. For a lot of crimes the main purpose of reporting it is for a crime number over the last few years, they're too understaffed.

People do actually want crimes investigated and anti-social behaviour stopped.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well, they should spend more on the police. For a lot of crimes the main purpose of reporting it is for a crime number over the last few years, they're too understaffed.

People do actually want crimes investigated and anti-social behaviour stopped.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Starmer can pretty do anything at the moment with the pumps crisis overshadowing everything else. Infuriating if things are going well for him, useful if they're not.

Even if all the pumps in the U.K. burst into flames and we had no fuel for six weeks, Starmer could not make any political capital out of it. He’d be claiming motorbikes had cervix’s, HGV tankers had wombs, Lisa Nandy had testicles and Angela Rayner was a deranged knobhead…..…..(only one of those is true).

I’m not that old, but I won’t see a Labour Government again in my lifetime. You could stick a blue rosette on a blonde Alpaca and it would beat anything Labour put out.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well, they should spend more on the police. For a lot of crimes the main purpose of reporting it is for a crime number over the last few years, they're too understaffed.

People do actually want crimes investigated and anti-social behaviour stopped.

Totally agree, although arresting criminals is only the start IMO.

It's what we do afterwards where it starts to get 'complicated', with what many see as soft judgements and the cries that a custodial sentence isn't the answer.

I'd like to see some really tough stuff introduced, things that would - hopefully - make people think twice about doing it again, but that won't ever happen

Originally Posted by Carth

Totally agree, although arresting criminals is only the start IMO.

It's what we do afterwards where it starts to get 'complicated', with what many see as soft judgements and the cries that a custodial sentence isn't the answer.

I'd like to see some really tough stuff introduced, things that would - hopefully - make people think twice about doing it again, but that won't ever happen

It depends on what the crimes are. I think violent crimes should equal prison whereas others on a case-by-case basis. I've had stuff, expensive stuff, stolen and to be honest it's the lack of anything happening that's distressing. If they were caught and got some punishment, even if it's community service or a fine, I would feel better than just effectively being told 'well, sucks to be you'. The police didn't even turn up. Just took a call and give me a crime number.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Even if all the pumps in the U.K. burst into flames and we had no fuel for six weeks, Starmer could not make any political capital out of it. He’d be claiming motorbikes had cervix’s, HGV tankers had wombs, Lisa Nandy had testicles and Angela Rayner was a deranged knobhead…..…..(only one of those is true).

I’m not that old, but I won’t see a Labour Government again in my lifetime. You could stick a blue rosette on a blonde Alpaca and it would beat anything Labour put out.

Opposition don't win elections, the incumbents lose them, after a certain time people just get sick of the sleeze and corruption and give the other side a go, might help them if their wasn't quite so much choice for your left leaning voter though

Originally Posted by Carth

Totally agree, although arresting criminals is only the start IMO.

It's what we do afterwards where it starts to get 'complicated', with what many see as soft judgements and the cries that a custodial sentence isn't the answer.

I'd like to see some really tough stuff introduced, things that would - hopefully - make people think twice about doing it again, but that won't ever happen

I doubt it would make people think twice, we can't get harsher than hanging and deportation and yet we still had crime back then including hanging children for stealing bread. The only thing that makes people "think twice" is if they think there's a good chance of them getting caught, not the fear of the punishment

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Damien

It depends on what the crimes are. I think violent crimes should equal prison whereas others on a case-by-case basis. I've had stuff, expensive stuff, stolen and to be honest it's the lack of anything happening that's distressing. If they were caught and got some punishment, even if it's community service or a fine, I would feel better than just effectively being told 'well, sucks to be you'. The police didn't even turn up. Just took a call and give me a crime number.

I sometimes think the police just don't bother with some crimes, not because they don't care, but because the final outcome will feel like a failure.

I bet if you posted some nasty racial stuff on facebook they'd come knocking though . . all to do with 'this months focus on crime' . . or something

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Even if all the pumps in the U.K. burst into flames and we had no fuel for six weeks, Starmer could not make any political capital out of it. He’d be claiming motorbikes had cervix’s, HGV tankers had wombs, Lisa Nandy had testicles and Angela Rayner was a deranged knobhead…..…..(only one of those is true).

I’m not that old, but I won’t see a Labour Government again in my lifetime. You could stick a blue rosette on a blonde Alpaca and it would beat anything Labour put out.

You misunderstand my point.

I'm not saying Starmer can make political capital out of the pumps crisis, I'm saying that whatever he does will be overshadowed by the pumps crisis. He could have a terrible, amazing or indifferent conference. But for 99% of the population, they won't be listening, they just want to fill their cars up.