Britain outside the EU

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

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And from December



"To know thyself is the beginning of wisdom.”

You go out of your way to try and pull me down. You had to go back to December to find something closer to self praise. Just stop it.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You go out of your way to try and pull me down. You had to go back to December to find something closer to self praise. Just stop it.

He does have form in trawling the archives............

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

He does have form in trawling the archives............

Sad.

You say it, you own it…

❄️

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Originally Posted by Pierre

He does have form in trawling the archives............

I didn't have to "trawl" anything - I remembered it, because I commented on it at the time….

Originally Posted by Hugh

As Lord Byron said

[Taf]

A letter from the Home Office arrived this morning asking the missus if she wants to stay in the UK !!!

She applied to stay as we arrived in the UK from our French wedding in 1986, and she received a letter granting "Permanent Right To Remain". But apparently that is no longer valid?

So we've done the application online, and now have to send her French ID card to them within 30 days (last day for application is the mid-June for all EU citizens in the UK).

But her ID has expired on the card, so we’ve had to add the letter from the Consulate that all IDs have been granted 15 years validity due to covid-19.

Luckily I kept the "Permanent Right To Remain" letter, so have a copy for them.

After she is allowed to stay, we then have to start the process for the twins as it's a grey area!!!!!!

35 minutes on hold to their helpline then cut off. Now it just says "we're busy" and cuts off.

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by Taf

A letter from the Home Office arrived this morning asking the missus if she wants to stay in the UK !!!

She applied to stay as we arrived in the UK from our French wedding in 1986, and she received a letter granting "Permanent Right To Remain". But apparently that is no longer valid?

So we've done the application online, and now have to send her French ID card to them within 30 days (last day for application is the mid-June for all EU citizens in the UK).

But her ID has expired on the card, so we’ve had to add the letter from the Consulate that all IDs have been granted 15 years validity due to covid-19.

Luckily I kept the "Permanent Right To Remain" letter, so have a copy for them.

After she is allowed to stay, we then have to start the process for the twins as it's a grey area!!!!!!

35 minutes on hold to their helpline then cut off. Now it just says "we're busy" and cuts off.

This must be very unsettling for you all Taf. Hopefully it's all just a paper pushing exercise and your wife and sons will get their permanent rights to remain without having to wait too long.

Jo xx

[Taf]

Originally Posted by joglynne

This must be very unsettling for you all Taf. Hopefully it's all just a paper pushing exercise and your wife and sons will get their permanent rights to remain without having to wait too long.

I've spent an hour dredging through all the guff on the gov.uk site.
She still has the Right to Remain, but the application allows her to apply for "Settled Status" so can leave the UK for up to 5 years and return with no problems. Their letter to us didn't mention that.

I actually found an online help link on the gov.uk site (very well hidden)to ask the questions instead of listening to the "hold" music forever and ever.

The twins' status depends on what letter Lunar Hose sent her giving the Right to Reside. Someone told me that there was a legal challenge to the wording of one version, meaning they would have to apply in their own rights for citizenship.

[joglynne]

@Taf >, I worked for the Civil Service for a good few years and I never got to grips with the bureaucracy that mired down even the simplest processes. I suspect you are not the only family in this position, maybe you can find more helpful information on a discussion site/forum.

This seems to bring a few sites up. https://www.google.com/search?q=I+ne...4dUDCAk&uact=5

This link seems informative. https://immigrationbarrister.co.uk/a...-applications/

[Taf]

Originally Posted by joglynne

@Taf >, I worked for the Civil Service for a good few years

Ditto, a techie branch, but still riddled with bureaucracy...

[1andrew1]

Interesting Cabinet split over a proposed trade deal with Australia with zero tariffs

Pro camp are Trade (Liz Truss and David Frost)

Their arguments:
- If you can't get a good deal with Australia then you can't get a deal with anyone
- A deal would signify support for Australia which has a trade row with China
- It could aid the UK's bid to join the Trans-Pacific Trade Partnership.

Anti camp are Agriculture (George Eustice and Michael Gove)

Their arguments:
- Michael Gove has promised that farmers would not be worse off due to Brexit. This would make some worse off.
- Lamb farmers, predominantly in Wales and Scotland, would be some of those worse off from the deal encouraging the independence vote.
- Trade will pnly be worth 0.01-0.02% of GDP over 15 years so is not worth sacrificing British farming for

Something needs to be decided before June's G7 summit in Cornwall, which Australia’s PM should be attending.

See https://www.ft.com/content/8c5f7a0c-...e-fe721dc08701 or Google "UK government split over Australia trade deal"

[Carth]

Can I take it that, from the 'Against' arguments, our farmers can produce enough without needing any from Australia . . . or anywhere else?

. . . or is it just more crap with people spouting figures that look good to the 'anti everything' brigade

Originally Posted by Carth

Can I take it that, from the 'Against' arguments, our farmers can produce enough without needing any from Australia . . . or anywhere else?

. . . or is it just more crap with people spouting figures that look good to the 'anti everything' brigade

The Aussies have economies of scale with their industrial mega-ranches covering thousands of acres, making it much cheaper to produce the meat (including export costs) - our farmers couldn’t match their lower prices (currently there are tariffs on Oz meat being imported).

[Carth]

Hard to believe a leg of lamb is cheaper coming all the way from Australia.

Until you factor in the big supermarket chains doing really cheap deals on volume, they'll cut anybodies throat for an extra 2p profit

To be fair, the tariffs on Aussie products are simply carried over from the EU tariff regime rather than reflecting deliberate UK government policy. As presently constituted, they may or may not be useful to us - just because they suited EU protectionism doesn’t mean we necessarily have to continue the same way.

[pip08456]

NZ and Aus lamb have been imported for years, perhaps in lesser numbers while we were in the EU.
The biggest difference between their lamb product and the UK's is that the lambs are slaughtered at an earlier age meaning the chops and joints are smaller than UK lamb.
For lamb product the UK farmers can easily compete with them.
Never had to deal with Aus beef when I was a butcher as most of the competition came from Argentina when I was in the trade.