21-07-2018, 17:36
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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Speaking exclusively to Express.co.uk, Ms Dorries said: “They are not just a threat to Brexit, they are a threat to the future of this country.
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maybe the daft old bat was looking in the mirror ?
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21-07-2018, 20:32
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
I read in the papers today that Trump has been railing against the EU and Germany in particular. His main complaint was that the Euro is undervalued and thus unfairly supporting German exports to the USA.
You may recall that I carefully explained how Germany engineered the value of the Euro to enable exactly what Trump is complaining about.
This could now work in our favour - if you support reaching a deal with the EU. Germany could hardly relish having to face tariffs levied by the UK and additional tariffs levied by the USA as this would hit their production as exports fall.
Properly exploited, a sensible deal may yet be possible.
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21-07-2018, 21:18
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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I read in the papers today that Trump has been railing against the EU and Germany in particular. His main complaint was that the Euro is undervalued and thus unfairly supporting German exports to the USA.
You may recall that I carefully explained how Germany engineered the value of the Euro to enable exactly what Trump is complaining about.
This could now work in our favour - if you support reaching a deal with the EU. Germany could hardly relish having to face tariffs levied by the UK and additional tariffs levied by the USA as this would hit their production as exports fall.
Properly exploited, a sensible deal may yet be possible.
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Think you're grasping at straws old chap.
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21-07-2018, 21:24
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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Think you're grasping at straws old chap.
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It seems to me that there was a bit of sarcasm there. A shame.
The point I'm making is that last minute stuff may yet happen as various external factors coagulate into the current negotiating mess.
Do you think that the squeeze on Germany might not bear some fruit?
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21-07-2018, 21:29
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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It seems to me that there was a bit of sarcasm there. A shame.
The point I'm making is that last minute stuff may yet happen as various external factors coagulate into the current negotiating mess.
Do you think that the squeeze on Germany might not bear some fruit?
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we're the ones with our short and curlies in the EU's hands. Trump says something different every day.
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21-07-2018, 21:31
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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we're the ones with our short and curlies in the EU's hands. Trump says something different every day.
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Don't you think it might rattle the Germans? Trump has been fairly consistent on the tariffs theme.
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21-07-2018, 21:35
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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Don't you think it might rattle the Germans? Trump has been fairly consistent on the tariffs theme.
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no, they aren't as reliant on the US, they have the EU - together they are strong.
Its 'America first', don't be relying on the Donald to bail us out. He really didn't like that blimp.
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21-07-2018, 21:46
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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It seems to me that there was a bit of sarcasm there. A shame.
The point I'm making is that last minute stuff may yet happen as various external factors coagulate into the current negotiating mess.
Do you think that the squeeze on Germany might not bear some fruit?
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I’ve never known any major programme of work that had, as part of the plan for implementation, the section that said “last minute stuff may yet happen (that will make it work)"...
Can you imagine if the D-Day planning had a section that said "here’s hoping"? They looked at what was required, planned to meet those requirements, and put contingency plans in place for identified risks (with additional contingency for "stuff we don’t know about yet"). I haven’t seen any evidence of that sort of approach to this...
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21-07-2018, 21:49
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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no, they aren't as reliant on the US, they have the EU - together they are strong.
Its 'America first', don't be relying on the Donald to bail us out. He really didn't like that blimp.
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I'm not relying on Donald to bail us out. I was merely postulating how the situation might develop.
I must admit to harbouring a grudge against Germany for perpetrating their policy of undervaluing the Euro and for breaking EU law with impunity by maintaining an 8% surplus (it's supposed not to exceed 3%).
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I’ve never known any major programme of work that had, as part of the plan for implementation, the section that said “last minute stuff may yet happen (that will make it work)"...
Can you imagine if the D-Day planning had a section that said "here’s hoping"? They looked at what was required, planned to meet those requirements, and put contingency plans in place for identified risks (with additional contingency for "stuff we don’t know about yet"). I haven’t seen any evidence of that sort of approach to this...
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What on earth are you on about? I was describing a curve ball that might affect Germany's appetite for changing their position on the Brexit negotiations.
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21-07-2018, 22:00
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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no, they aren't as reliant on the US, they have the EU - together they are strong.
Its 'America first', don't be relying on the Donald to bail us out. He really didn't like that blimp.
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Germany's also been very effective at exporting all over the World to growing countries like Vietnam and China.
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22-07-2018, 09:13
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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I'm not relying on Donald to bail us out. I was merely postulating how the situation might develop.
I must admit to harbouring a grudge against Germany for perpetrating their policy of undervaluing the Euro and for breaking EU law with impunity by maintaining an 8% surplus (it's supposed not to exceed 3%).
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What on earth are you on about? I was describing a curve ball that might affect Germany's appetite for changing their position on the Brexit negotiations.
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Apologies - I mis-read your post, and thought you were talking about our approach to Brexit.
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22-07-2018, 09:44
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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£9.3m pro-EU publicity blitz by David Cameron's government in the run-up to the Brexit referendum gave the Remain side an unfair advantage, the like of which should be outlawed in future votes, an independent commission has suggested.
In a major report, a cross-party panel called for a significant extension of restrictions banning ministers from using unlimited amounts of public money in favour of one side of a debate before the final month of a campaign.
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Makes the few thousand spent by an associate organisation for leave look like chicken feed. And they still lost. 
Alternative non-paywall story link
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22-07-2018, 10:07
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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It's an interesting discussion point, but the quality of what Cameron's Government produced probably helped the Leave side more! 
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22-07-2018, 10:32
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Will Cameron be referred to the police or is this destined to be swept under the carpet .
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22-07-2018, 11:02
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Re: Brexit Discussion (New thread-Follow First Post Rules!)
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Will Cameron be referred to the police or is this destined to be swept under the carpet .
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If you feel he should be then, go ahead and refer him. But he's broken no law.
Unlike Vote Leave where MPs are getting annoyed by Dominic Cummings trying to avoid answering their questions. Maybe he'll be jailed?
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A cross-party group of MPs is demanding new powers that would force witnesses to give evidence before parliament or face possible imprisonment, as anger grows over the refusal of the former Vote Leave director, Dominic Cummings, to answer claims that the organisation that helped to deliver Brexit broke electoral law.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nce-to-commons
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