Conservative Conference - Page 4

Mr K · 08-10-2021, 22:00

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

So you should, they're taking the piss out of you just as much as they are me, unless you're one of the chums of course, then you're making out like a bandit

Sometimes I think people to deserve to get what they vote for. They voted to get shafted by a bunch of lying millionaire muppets and that's what they've got. It's karma in a way...

Carth · 08-10-2021, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Sometimes I think people to deserve to get what they vote for. They voted to get shafted by a bunch of lying millionaire muppets and that's what they've got. It's karma in a way...

No way to talk about Newcastle fans, shame on you

**Paul** · 08-10-2021, 23:04

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It just needs extracting out of the ground, refining and transporting to my closed petrol station.

All of those happened, but then you [all] drained it in a panic.

JFYI, no shortages around here.

1andrew1 · 08-10-2021, 23:17

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Originally Posted by Paul

All of those happened, but then you [all] drained it in a panic.

JFYI, no shortages around here.

There was panic buying across the UK, just fewer HGV drivers here as we had more European ones who returned home for various reasons including the new tax arrangements and Covid.

Much as I like Nottingham, it's a long way to go to fill the car up!

Mad Max · 09-10-2021, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Sometimes I think people to deserve to get what they vote for. They voted to get shafted by a bunch of lying millionaire muppets and that's what they've got. It's karma in a way...

Have you been? Please explain.

Mr K · 09-10-2021, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

Have you been? Please explain.

Yes I've been today, have you? Doesn't sound like it.

pip08456 · 09-10-2021, 22:26

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

There was panic buying across the UK, just fewer HGV drivers here as we had more European ones who returned home for various reasons including the new tax arrangements and Covid.

Much as I like Nottingham, it's a long way to go to fill the car up!

Panic buying was the sole cause of the shortage. The 100,000 driver shortage is being blamed on a maximum of 20,000 EU drivers leaving, no mention of the c.40,000 HGV tests cancelled due to Covid.

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The Road Haulage Association says of the 600,000 registered HGV license holders half have left the industry, 16-20,000 foreign drivers are estimated to have returned home since Brexit and about 40,000 driving tests were cancelled due to the pandemic. Poor roadside facilities including a severe lack of roadside toilets and showers are also an issue.

Similar issues to do with pay and poor working conditions mean that many EU countries are facing similar HGV driver shortages. Poland is the most severely affected with the UK a close second. The shortage across Europe is estimated at 400,000.

Logistics analysts Transport Intelligence told i: “The most heavily affected European countries are Poland, the UK and Germany. The UK is in a particularly difficult position as it is not only grappling with Brexit, but it also saw many European workers leave over the course of the pandemic, as fears over lockdowns grew.”

The haulage industry needs fixing re- facilities for drivers and wages.

TheDaddy · 09-10-2021, 22:30

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Panic buying was the sole cause of the shortage. The 100,000 driver shortage is being blamed on a maximum of 20,000 EU drivers leaving, no mention of the c.40,000 HGV tests cancelled due to Covid.

The haulage industry needs fixing re- facilities for drivers and wages.

You don't think losing a fifth of that hundred thousand had much impact on what happened then?

pip08456 · 09-10-2021, 22:35

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You don't think losing a fifth of that hundred thousand had much impact on what happened then?

Not as much as the media made out. But for the panic buying...

TheDaddy · 09-10-2021, 23:23

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Not as much as the media made out. But for the panic buying...

I think it made a big difference, 20% extra of something fills a lot of gaps

pip08456 · 09-10-2021, 23:30

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I think it made a big difference, 20% extra of something fills a lot of gaps

You are assuming 20% of tanker drivers left. Could you cite anywhere that that is the case considering they have to be more highly qualified as most other HGV drivers?

TheDaddy · 10-10-2021, 01:14

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Originally Posted by pip08456

You are assuming 20% of tanker drivers left. Could you cite anywhere that that is the case considering they have to be more highly qualified as most other HGV drivers?

I'm assuming it's more than 20% actually, the bounties supermarkets are offering look pretty attractive to me

pip08456 · 10-10-2021, 02:42

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'm assuming it's more than 20% actually, the bounties supermarkets are offering look pretty attractive to me

That said you don't know the pension benefits oil companies offer. I have two friends, one a tanker driver for BP, another for Calor Gas. One retired and one still working. Both have said the would never have gone elsewhere (obviously the retired one wouldn't be able to).

Neither have or had to spend time sleeping in their cabs or be anywhere overnight nor, according to them have the majority of tanker drivers so I tend to listen to them. HGV class 3 (if that's what it's still called) may be another mattter

TheDaddy · 10-10-2021, 10:52

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Originally Posted by pip08456

That said you don't know the pension benefits oil companies offer. I have two friends, one a tanker driver for BP, another for Calor Gas. One retired and one still working. Both have said the would never have gone elsewhere (obviously the retired one wouldn't be able to).

Neither have or had to spend time sleeping in their cabs or be anywhere overnight nor, according to them have the majority of tanker drivers so I tend to listen to them. HGV class 3 (if that's what it's still called) may be another mattter

Calor gas were one of my previous companies clients. They might have said they won't go anywhere else but did they ever have someone offer to all but double their wages? It'll be interesting to see what's been happening when I eventually return to work

pip08456 · 10-10-2021, 12:58

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Calor gas were one of my previous companies clients. They might have said they won't go anywhere else but did they ever have someone offer to all but double their wages? It'll be interesting to see what's been happening when I eventually return to work

It will be interesting to see, the calor gas driver (still working) has stated he won't move anywhere else, he loves doing the ethernol delivery to Warrington occasionally.

I don't think you know how much tanker drivers are paid when delivering petrol, gas or any other volotile or otherwise dangerous loads. Plus there are the reasonalbe pension and other benefit alongside. Younger drivers may feel different but then you've got to question why they they went the extra mile to be qualified as tanker drivers.