25-09-2021, 11:14
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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Because you’re circumventing the problem of HGV shortages, Europe wide. Germany 65-85K HGV vacancies unfilled. Poland 124,000 driver shortages, pretty sure it was only the UK that left the corrupted EU. But I guess you got to cling to some hope that Brexit is the route cause, when it most certainly isn’t.
It’s almost as if, and I’m not necessarily pointing finger at you doing this, but it’s like all these so called shortages bullshit, “some” hardline Remainers, want something so destructive, to prove to us Brexiteers, we got it momentously and catastrophically wrong, that so much so, we’d change our minds or admit defeat. I say NEVER. I have no regrets voting to leave and I’d do so again. It’s called democracy.
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Fair point there’s always going to be ardent discussion around the B issue !! And yes you’re right there are shortages around not only just the U.K., the EU but also the rest of the world pretty much. As per my article link the EU are having to bring in eastern European drivers in order to meet shortages. EU members can also move labour around if needed.
I guess my point is that one of the reasons we voted to leave the EU is to ‘take back control’ now we have left the government had the power to lessen the impact that the shortage of HGV drivers is causing. but they didn’t act quickly enough. JIT supply chains means you can’t play ‘catch up’
The EU is embarking on a program to improve the HGV infrastructure that they have in place (which is already far superior to the U.K.s) we need to at least be on par with that
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25-09-2021, 11:14
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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People simply don't want the lifestyle of spending the week away from home. No amount of money is going to get around that.
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That's a fair point. Could you make the hours shorter so they get Fridays off or offer more part-time positions. Then potentially they would spend fewer nights away from home.
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25-09-2021, 11:19
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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That's a fair point. Could you make the hours shorter so they get Fridays off or offer more part-time positions. Then potentially they would spend fewer nights away from home.
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Unfortunately, that work pattern isn’t compatoble with the role or the supply chains. Or multi drop routes.
It may be feasible if we could migrate more freight delivery via the rail network.
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25-09-2021, 11:22
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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The EU is embarking on a program to improve the HGV infrastructure that they have in place (which is already far superior to the U.K.s) we need to at least be on par with that
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An important point there about strategic initiatives such as improving HGV infrastructure that seek to make the job more attractive and therefore retain and attract HGV drivers.
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25-09-2021, 11:23
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
Sorry but it must be meme time, my turn Hugh. :~>
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25-09-2021, 11:25
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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That's a fair point. Could you make the hours shorter so they get Fridays off or offer more part-time positions. Then potentially they would spend fewer nights away from home.
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It is not a fair point as not all (or a majority) of HGV drivers spend the week away from home sleeping in their cabs. Fuel delivery drivers certainly don't.
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25-09-2021, 11:25
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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Unfortunately, that work pattern isn’t compatoble with the role or the supply chains. Or multi drop routes.
It may be feasible if we could migrate more freight delivery via the rail network.
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Yes. One thing about this crisis is that it must be making railfreight more attractive a proposition.
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25-09-2021, 11:27
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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Unfortunately, that work pattern isn’t compatoble with the role or the supply chains. Or multi drop routes.
It may be feasible if we could migrate more freight delivery via the rail network.
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Expanding the rail network, like the £billions spent on the HS2 fiasco
But seriously, long distance rail haulage has to be more beneficial than HGV's running up & down the country
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25-09-2021, 11:27
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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Same reason they don't become lumberjacks, opera singers, F1 drivers, and script writers I suppose
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That's an issue of lack of vacant positions, not the case here and in other examples.
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25-09-2021, 11:30
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
Something picked up on sky news which we all haven’t considered is that the introduction of IR35 on HGV owner operators and all but forcing them to become employees.
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25-09-2021, 11:34
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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That's an issue of lack of vacant positions, not the case here and in other examples.
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Good point, therefore they should all become HGV drivers and subsequently leave us with shortages in the areas of food production, shop workers, warehouse workers etc etc
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Something picked up on sky news which we all haven’t considered is that the introduction of IR35 on HGV owner operators and all but forcing them to become employees.
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Picked up on here a week or more ago, are Sky being deliberately evasive with their reporting?
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25-09-2021, 11:35
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
Well let's all get round to Whartons garage then.
Wonder if they've put the prices up as others opportunistically have?
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25-09-2021, 11:36
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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Unfortunately, that work pattern isn’t compatoble with the role or the supply chains. Or multi drop routes.
It may be feasible if we could migrate more freight delivery via the rail network.
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Then the freight would have to loaded and unloaded multiple times on the many sections of the rail network(try doing journeys as a rail passenger to understand), in addition to the road network to get to and from the rail depots.
Then when the rail unions inevitably go on strike.
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25-09-2021, 11:42
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Re: Panic at the Pumps
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It is not a fair point as not all (or a majority) of HGV drivers spend the week away from home sleeping in their cabs. Fuel delivery drivers certainly don't.
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Source ?
Due to driving time limits and or road conditions I’d say it’s highly subjective as to which drivers need to sleep in cabs
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Good point, therefore they should all become HGV drivers and subsequently leave us with shortages in the areas of food production, shop workers, warehouse workers etc etc
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Picked up on here a week or more ago, are Sky being deliberately evasive with their reporting?
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Missed the ‘I’
Was on earlier this morning.
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