Britain outside the EU - Page 148

1andrew1 · 01-09-2021, 23:02

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Parallels can be drawn between may/Boris in Brexit and trump/Biden Afghanistan

Riddle me this? as Biden could have overruled Trumps Afghan antics he didn’t

Boris could of quite easily taken out on no deal, he frequently stated that no deal was better than a bad deal, yet here we are with a bad deal. So, why didn’t he ?

I think you'll find many Brexiters willing to blame Theresa May but they will be evasive as a Raab when this question is put to them. I would say it is best discussed over a beer but that's a bit hard these days. https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/wethe...rtage-24883987

Sephiroth · 01-09-2021, 23:07

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Had we gone no deal who else’s fault could it have been???

As a Brexiteer you get funnier by the second, first of all it doesn’t matter if we upset the EU now it doesn’t matter if we upset the EU & the US

It's not the point. You seem obsessed with this. But if you need an answer - then it would have been Theresa May's fault. The UK would have slid out from the blame game because, as I said, only the EU and US would be up in arms.

On your second point, all the upset by the EU and US would be posing.
The US would get over it (the special relationship) and the EU would have a problem with Eire.

mrmistoffelees · 01-09-2021, 23:07

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think you'll find many Brexiters willing to blame Theresa May but they will be evasive as a Raab when this question is put to them. I would say it is best discussed over a beer but that's a bit hardy these days. https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/wethe...rtage-24883987

I’m still waiting for answer to the question I asked regarding why we haven’t taken the EU to court as some believe they’re breaking international law….

Re the beer running out ? Oh well never mind, just a shame all of his pubs haven’t caught fire. It’s alright though the staff that would be out of jobs could just retrain as hgv drivers

Sephiroth · 01-09-2021, 23:08

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think you'll find many Brexiters willing to blame Theresa May but they will be evasive as a Raab when this question is put to them. I would say it is best discussed over a beer but that's a bit hard these days. https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/wethe...rtage-24883987

At least I'm not evasive.

mrmistoffelees · 01-09-2021, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It's not the point. You seem obsessed with this. But if you need an answer - then it would have been Theresa May's fault. The UK would have slid out from the blame game because, as I said, only the EU and US would be up in arms.

On your second point, all the upset by the EU and US would be posing.
The US would get over it (the special relationship) and the EU would have a problem with Eire.

I’ll accept the above being possible in a far of crayola based reality

Why didn’t Boris take us out on no deal? He had the opportunity

Sephiroth · 01-09-2021, 23:11

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I’ll accept the above being possible in a far of crayola based reality

Why didn’t Boris take us out on no deal? He had the opportunity

Indeed.

mrmistoffelees · 01-09-2021, 23:12

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Indeed.

I thought you weren’t evasive ?

I’d genuinely like to understand why you think he didn’t do it ?

Sephiroth · 01-09-2021, 23:21

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I thought you weren’t evasive ?

I’d genuinely like to understand why you think he didn’t do it ?

Because he didn't have the balls to do what was right.

mrmistoffelees · 01-09-2021, 23:30

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Because he didn't have the balls to do what was right.

I see

Therefore, as we continue meandering down this never ending discussion of politics Can we safely say you won’t be blaming May anymore as per your earlier post? Quite odd really, May has more balls than Boris, at least she was prepared to do what she believed in. Unless of course Boris didn’t believe in no deal all along ???

I’ll bid you good night and say thank you for a pleasant discussion, no doubt the shenanigans will continue tomorrow

Carth · 02-09-2021, 01:38

Oh Christ I hope not . . .

OLD BOY · 02-09-2021, 07:53

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He's right I'm afraid, Seph, there is a distinct odor of desperation in the air.

It is WTO membership that would require a hard border. If the UK had ventured down the route of no deal then all its trade globally would have tariffs which would wreck its economy as companies fled the UK. (As it is, it is just the slowly deflating tyre effect that the country is enjoying.) Ireland would have counted the US and the EU nations on its side. Who would have supported the UK?

You are right to say that WTO membership requires a hard border, but Seph is right when he says that this could be on paper only. The EU was given options on how to regulate goods going in and out through the use of technology, but the EU was not playing ball.

Boris accepted a bad deal rather than a no deal because firstly it got Brexit done without too much more aggro, but he also decided that any problems arising could be dealt with after the event, when we would be in a position of strength.

This is only just starting to play out, but I can see him making the argument in the not too distant future that we will give the EU notice of termination, and he will explain that the existing deal was not working. Without the nonsense of having a hung parliament and with the advantage of having left the EU, plus the prospect of this unfolding chaos of EU malice under this bad deal, he will get more of the public on side.

1andrew1 · 02-09-2021, 09:20

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are right to say that WTO membership requires a hard border, but Seph is right when he says that this could be on paper only. The EU was given options on how to regulate goods going in and out through the use of technology, but the EU was not playing ball.

Boris accepted a bad deal rather than a no deal because firstly it got Brexit done without too much more aggro, but he also decided that any problems arising could be dealt with after the event, when we would be in a position of strength.

This is only just starting to play out, but I can see him making the argument in the not too distant future that we will give the EU notice of termination, and he will explain that the existing deal was not working. Without the nonsense of having a hung parliament and with the advantage of having left the EU, plus the prospect of this unfolding chaos of EU malice under this bad deal, he will get more of the public on side.

Sadly I don't believe that technology exists yet so the border would be more than a paper one. What is your source for

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Originally posted by OLD BOY
The EU was given options on how to regulate goods going in and out through the use of technology, but the EU was not playing ball.

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Originally Posted by Carth

Oh Christ I hope not . . .

Somehow I don't believe you. You wouldn't want to be anywhere else on a cold September's day.

tweetiepooh · 02-09-2021, 10:17

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What would have happened with Northetn Ireland then? In other news Weatherspoons has run out of beer, this is getting serious now!!

From the BBC report the stuff that they are running out could hardly be called beer. (e.g. Coors).

heero_yuy · 02-09-2021, 10:19

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

From the BBC report the stuff that they are running out could hardly be called beer. (e.g. Coors).

Only if they run out of Stella could it be called serious.

1andrew1 · 02-09-2021, 10:20

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

From the BBC report the stuff that they are running out could hardly be called beer. (e.g. Coors).

Agreed - I think we may have finally found a Brexit benefit after all.