30-07-2021, 10:57
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh
I was reading that "ethical vegans" may get an exemption from "compulsory vaccinations" (e.g. possible workplaces) as they can refuse vaccines that possibly, maybe have been tested at some point on animals.
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Possibly, maybe not actually?
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30-07-2021, 11:00
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh
I was reading that "ethical vegans" may get an exemption from "compulsory vaccinations" (e.g. possible workplaces) as they can refuse vaccines that possibly, maybe have been tested at some point on animals.
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My standard answer: "Sod 'em". How ethical is it to present a risk to others? Sod 'em.
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30-07-2021, 11:09
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Re: Coronavirus
I think the article (only skimmed) was more that ruling that "Ethical veganism" is a philosophical belief ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50981359) and so "protected" means they could have exemption from the "no jab no job" rules ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-58020875)
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30-07-2021, 11:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
My standard answer: "Sod 'em". How ethical is it to present a risk to others? Sod 'em.
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What risk are they presenting to others?
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30-07-2021, 11:22
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Re: Coronavirus
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Double sod 'em, then.
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What risk are they presenting to others?
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Not vaccinated - more susceptible to infection - pass it on to vaccinated people who then have a mild (perhaps) infection and pass it on ......
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30-07-2021, 11:27
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Double sod 'em, then.
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Not vaccinated - more susceptible to infection - pass it on to vaccinated people who then have a mild (perhaps) infection and pass it on ......
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a bit like passing on a cold or seasonal flu, what about those lucky people who have had covid and aren't jabbed.
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30-07-2021, 11:58
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Re: Coronavirus
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a bit like passing on a cold or seasonal flu, what about those lucky people who have had covid and aren't jabbed.
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Could be ethical vegans. Sod ‘em.
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30-07-2021, 12:10
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Re: Coronavirus
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Could be ethical vegans. Sod ‘em.
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it sod 'em because they are vegans or haven't had a jab ?
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30-07-2021, 13:30
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Re: Coronavirus
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it sod 'em because they are vegans or haven't had a jab ?
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YES.
On the former, it's the vegan evangelists who want me to stop eating meat.
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30-07-2021, 13:41
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Re: Coronavirus
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YES.
On the former, it's the vegan evangelists who want me to stop eating meat.
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If you look into what vegan food is made from you'll realise these nutters will have a limited life span, it takes processed food to a whole new level.
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30-07-2021, 15:56
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Re: Coronavirus
Interesting info coming out of the CDC in the USA about the Delta variant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...mask-guidance/
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The delta variant of the coronavirus appears to cause more severe illness than earlier variants and spreads as easily as chickenpox, according to an internal federal health document that argues officials must “acknowledge the war has changed.”
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It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.
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The CDC’s revised mask guidance stops short of what the internal document calls for. “Given higher transmissibility and current vaccine coverage, universal masking is essential to reduce transmission of the Delta variant,” it states.
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Source presentation
https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.c...f75165.#page=1
The Delta variant flourishes in your nose and throat, and if you’re vaccinated, the immune system kicks in and clears the infection when the virus tries to attack the lungs - however, this takes a couple of days, and during that time, you’re shedding viral load to those around you.
tl:dr - Vaccines are still working incredibly well, but is possible for the vaccinated to become infected (perhaps asymptomatically) and spread the Delta variant to others - wearing masks helps prevent this.
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30-07-2021, 16:04
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Re: Coronavirus
Certainly looks like the time is right to take all of your cash out of Bitcoin and invest in mask production 
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30-07-2021, 16:06
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Re: Coronavirus
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Certainly looks like the time is right to take all of your cash out of Bitcoin and invest in mask production |
Or just contact your friend in the Conservative Party… 
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30-07-2021, 18:00
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Re: Coronavirus
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New York — Walmart, the nation’s largest retailer and private employer, is reversing its mask policy and will require all of its workers, including vaccinated ones in areas with high infection rates, to wear masks.
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https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/bus...rs/5429741001/
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30-07-2021, 18:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Interesting info coming out of the CDC in the USA about the Delta variant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...mask-guidance/
Source presentation
https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.c...f75165.#page=1
The Delta variant flourishes in your nose and throat, and if you’re vaccinated, the immune system kicks in and clears the infection when the virus tries to attack the lungs - however, this takes a couple of days, and during that time, you’re shedding viral load to those around you.
tl:dr - Vaccines are still working incredibly well, but is possible for the vaccinated to become infected (perhaps asymptomatically) and spread the Delta variant to others - wearing masks helps prevent this. |
Makes vaccine passports useless then.
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