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Old 30-06-2021, 07:06   #6106
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Has it been explained why the Indian variant has been renamed the Delta variant?
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Old 30-06-2021, 07:50   #6107
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Has it been explained why the Indian variant has been renamed the Delta variant?
Because nobody wants racists picking on Indians and nobody wants to annoy the fifth largest economy in the world.
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Old 30-06-2021, 08:03   #6108
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Not sure how popular that will be. The public will probably be fine if it's clear the restrictions are going one way,

I wouldn’t be, there is no justification for it now. All restrictions should be lifted. If you personally want to wear a mask fine that’s up to you. But the need for tests/ certification etc….well there isn’t a need. Government should focus on the economy now.
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I wouldn’t be, there is no justification for it now. All restrictions should be lifted. If you personally want to wear a mask fine that’s up to you. But the need for tests/ certification etc….well there isn’t a need. Government should focus on the economy now.
Stop testing and pretend it’s not there. Completely Trump-esque.

It’s already been proven the countries with the best economic response are those with the best public health responses. They should focus on the economy by doing it right, not taking short cuts. Hong Kong have banned travel from the UK, given we keep being told the economy means we can’t close our borders the same principle applies in reverse surely - we rely on other countries keeping them open to us.

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Stop testing and pretend it’s not there. Completely Trump-esque.
No ones pretending anything, it's just irrelevant whether it's there or not.

If the population is vaccinated or has anti-bodies through infection. If people now getting infected are mostly only getting a mild disease they can manage at home.

What good is testing? What meaning does it have? what decisions would be made from it?


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Given the current political tensions between China & the UK, I wouldn't be so sure that decision is 100% on Public Health grounds
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What good is testing? What meaning does it have? what decisions would be made from it?
Testing is going to be useful to pinpoint any new variants and also when and where booster shots might be needed going into the winter. I suspect testing will remain at least until next Spring for that purpose.
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I'm pretty sure 28 days annual leave is enough for anyone to go on holiday.

Not if those days included bank holidays.


I have had jobs where it was 28 days = 8 days BH then there was 1 day for every year you worked up yo 5 days.


My last job was 20 days + 8 BH them 1 day for every 3 years you worked up to 5 days. on top of that you had to keep 3 days for Christmas so effectively only got 17 usable days



20 days was NOT enough to have a 2 week summer holiday
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No ones pretending anything, it's just irrelevant whether it's there or not.

If the population is vaccinated or has anti-bodies through infection. If people now getting infected are mostly only getting a mild disease they can manage at home.

What good is testing? What meaning does it have? what decisions would be made from it?
Knowing who has the infection is critical to monitoring it within society. You may think it’s irrelevant, and from your own privileged position where restrictions do not affect you (and therefore meaningfully protect you) it is perhaps irrelevant on a personal level.

However critical to any pandemic response is knowing who has a virus, is at risk of it and how it affects them.

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Probably a bit of both, but the same is absolutely inevitable for other countries if our numbers go through the roof. They’ve seen the consequences of importing large numbers of the delta variant here, despite a reasonably successful vaccination programme, nobody will be in a rush. Even worse if we just throw our hands up and admit failure by not testing. Every plane in would be a dice roll.
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Reasonably successful … … the UK’s vaccination programme really has shattered your worldview, hasn’t it?
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Reasonably successful … … the UK’s vaccination programme really has shattered your worldview, hasn’t it?
I know “overwhelming success” is the default for those who enjoy a dose of British exceptionalism but I doubt Pierre thinks it’s an overwhelming success if we keep having to postpone freedom day, keep masks, distancing and so forth alongside some of the highest (and rising) Covid case counts in Europe.

It’s a good practice run for the Autumn boosters though.

I know you don’t like your holidays in Europe but Old Boy has Benidorm he wants to get to.

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I know “overwhelming success” is the default for those who enjoy a dose of British exceptionalism but I doubt Pierre thinks it’s an overwhelming success if we keep having to postpone freedom day, keep masks, distancing and so forth alongside some of the highest (and rising) Covid case counts in Europe.

It’s a good practice run for the Autumn boosters though.

I know you don’t like your holidays in Europe but Old Boy has Benidorm he wants to get to.


I can see him now in his football shirt and red peeling scalp crowding into the British bar for his British fry up, downed with a few lagers before heading back to the hotel sunbed and a row with any 'foreigner' daring to speak the local lingo.
Greatly enjoying Wales myself this week. A much more cultured place and people. Sunny and warm too.
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I know “overwhelming success” is the default for those who enjoy a dose of British exceptionalism but I doubt Pierre thinks it’s an overwhelming success if we keep having to postpone freedom day, keep masks, distancing and so forth alongside some of the highest (and rising) Covid case counts in Europe.

It’s a good practice run for the Autumn boosters though.

I know you don’t like your holidays in Europe but Old Boy has Benidorm he wants to get to.
You do like chucking in unwarranted (though amusing) barbs!
A sort of evolved version of one of the members who likes taking potshots at me.

On your substantive point, politics gets in the way of pragmatism. Freedom Day is being postponed out of an over-abundance of political caution. The vaccine programme is an "overwhelming success". The Guvmin has not publicly taken into account the ratio of cases to tests (as compared with December) and doesn't seem to trust the lowish (though mounting) hospital figures.
They also don't emphasise the number of people in hospital with Covid when there were roughly the same number of infections recorded per day.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

June 27 2021: 1527

Jan 18 2021: 39254

So you can see why people, especially if they have researched the numbers, are angry about the delay. I'm not angry for myself as it has n impact on what I or my family can do.

On top of all that is the external political impact of some countries desperate for tourists and others desperate to keep the Brits out. All sorts of stuff tips into this mess.


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Not interested in testing, not interested in foreign holidays, not interested in the guesswork predicting a 3rd, 4th, 5th wave.

I just want to know when my wife & daughter can bugger off back to working in an office.

Both work for the local council and have been working from home since March 2020 . . and it's doing my damn head in
Council are saving money with empty offices, we're obviously using more gas/electric/water while they're at home.
Both use laptops & phones constantly talking to other workers & 'clients', any supposed 'confidentiality' is out of the window, I'm now well versed in the financial packages on offer, who to contact if Mr X needs an orthopedic bed, the different rates paid to 3rd party care service providers, and lots of other stuff that I really shouldn't be hearing.

There are also jobs I can't do around the house because of the disruption it would cause to their work . . anything that entails the power off is a no-no, as is anything that would make too much noise & mess.

Apart from that . . am I eligible for Business Internet, and is it cheaper than what I currently have
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You do like chucking in unwarranted (though amusing) barbs!
A sort of evolved version of one of the members who likes taking potshots at me.

On your substantive point, politics gets in the way of pragmatism. Freedom Day is being postponed out of an over-abundance of political caution. The vaccine programme is an "overwhelming success". The Guvmin has not publicly taken into account the ratio of cases to tests (as compared with December) and doesn't seem to trust the lowish (though mounting) hospital figures.
They also don't emphasise the number of people in hospital with Covid when there were roughly the same number of infections recorded per day.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

June 27 2021: 1527

Jan 18 2021: 39254

So you can see why people, especially if they have researched the numbers, are angry about the delay. I'm not angry for myself as it has n impact on what I or my family can do.

On top of all that is the external political impact of some countries desperate for tourists and others desperate to keep the Brits out. All sorts of stuff tips into this mess.


You may wish to look up "passive-aggressive"…

HMG’s caution is probably because of the unknowns around the Delta Variant - Governments all around the world are re-imposing mask mandates and other restrictions, so HMG are not being outliers in their behaviour.
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Not interested in testing, not interested in foreign holidays, not interested in the guesswork predicting a 3rd, 4th, 5th wave.

I just want to know when my wife & daughter can bugger off back to working in an office.

Both work for the local council and have been working from home since March 2020 . . and it's doing my damn head in
Council are saving money with empty offices, we're obviously using more gas/electric/water while they're at home.
Both use laptops & phones constantly talking to other workers & 'clients', any supposed 'confidentiality' is out of the window, I'm now well versed in the financial packages on offer, who to contact if Mr X needs an orthopedic bed, the different rates paid to 3rd party care service providers, and lots of other stuff that I really shouldn't be hearing.

There are also jobs I can't do around the house because of the disruption it would cause to their work . . anything that entails the power off is a no-no, as is anything that would make too much noise & mess.

Apart from that . . am I eligible for Business Internet, and is it cheaper than what I currently have
AFAIK, you can claim tax relief on the extra costs. Also, why not have fun and tackle the Council on some form of reimbursement?

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You may wish to look up "passive-aggressive"…

HMG’s caution is probably because of the unknowns around the Delta Variant - Governments all around the world are re-imposing mask mandates and other restrictions, so HMG are not being outliers in their behaviour.
Ooh - another potshot.

Interesting though about the "unknowns". I believe, and am obviously open to challenge, that the KNOWNS bear on decisions. The Guvmin is always trotting out that they know that the vaccine works because the figures show that. But they don't use the figures to justify their "abundance of caution" because they put too litte trust in the figures that they say they are guided by (to end on a preposition).
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