25-09-2021, 09:51
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Re: Britain outside the EU
"whatever", indeed…
Your point - "we could have had a great deal if Trump had won"
Counterpoint - "in 2017, any deal was not seen as a priority"
Your response - ‘whatever"
I see your many years in the Oxford Union Debating Society were not wasted… 
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25-09-2021, 10:02
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Hugh
"whatever", indeed…
Your point - "we could have had a great deal if Trump had won"
Counterpoint - "in 2017, any deal was not seen as a priority"
Your response - ‘whatever"
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I said ‘whatever’, Hugh, because the 2019 article I posted referred to Trump having this significant deal he wanted to offer us. It’s not clear from your post why you thought events in 2016/17 were more significant.
We were almost certain to get a deal with Trump as President.
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25-09-2021, 10:04
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Britain outside the EU
He also wanted to offer us a deal in 2016, then didn’t - believe what people do (or don’t do), not what they say they’ll do…
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25-09-2021, 10:09
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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He also wanted to offer us a deal in 2016, then didn’t - believe what people do (or don’t do), not what they say they’ll do…
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H’mmm…so Biden says he doesn’t see trade deals as a priority, so maybe he really does and we’ll get a deal this year.
It sounds like you are really straining to make an argument here.
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25-09-2021, 10:21
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Re: Britain outside the EU
If you strained any more, you would need a prescription for ex-lax… 
My logic is not "people do the opposite of what they say", it’s "if they say they are going to do something (or not do something), see what they do".
Trump said in 2016 we would have a deal - four years later, no deal was forthcoming…
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25-09-2021, 10:34
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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H’mmm…so Biden says he doesn’t see trade deals as a priority, so maybe he really does and we’ll get a deal this year.
It sounds like you are really straining to make an argument here.
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Looking like you're flogging a dead horse with the US trade deal. Any updates on the India and China trade deals for us instead?
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25-09-2021, 10:42
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Looking like you're flogging a dead horse with the US trade deal. Any updates on the India and China trade deals for us instead?
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Yes, it’s all the fault of <insert relevant countries leader here>
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25-09-2021, 13:28
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Looking like you're flogging a dead horse with the US trade deal. Any updates on the India and China trade deals for us instead?
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Trade talks with India start this year, but China needs to start behaving itself before we jump into any arrangements with them.
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25-09-2021, 14:21
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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H’mmm…so Biden says he doesn’t see trade deals as a priority, so maybe he really does and we’ll get a deal this year.
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His priorities are not decided by him alone, I suspect. The immense USA civil service will be looking at all the items in their to do lists. It just depends when one catches the political spotlight that any movement will be made.
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25-09-2021, 15:18
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Yes, it’s all the fault of <insert relevant countries leader here>
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Who'd have thought regaining sovereignty would amount to snivelling about which world leader was the latest to be mean to us
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25-09-2021, 15:39
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Re: Britain outside the EU
So funny (not funny) watching remainers being so endlessly desperate for this country to fail and celebrating every sliver of a possibility of something not working out …
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25-09-2021, 15:44
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Who'd have thought regaining sovereignty would amount to snivelling about which world leader was the latest to be mean to us
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That is a very shallow statement that only reflects the bitterness of a Remainer.
Regaining sovereignty is about not having to follow rule or something akin to that from Brussels.
If you are going to complain like that, perhaps chose something like the NI Protocol, where we don’t have real terms sovereignty - signed by my government but totally against my wishes.
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25-09-2021, 16:05
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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So funny (not funny) watching remainers being so endlessly desperate for this country to fail and celebrating every sliver of a possibility of something not working out …
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Indeed, however, to counter you then have some of those who voted/wanted to leave who refuse to accept that Brexit plays any part whatsoever in any of the current issues that the country faces.
Guilt on both sides
I won’t use the term Brexiteer as I don’t believe it should be used as an insult
to those that made a democratise choice.
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25-09-2021, 16:07
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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That is a very shallow statement that only reflects the bitterness of a Remainer.
Regaining sovereignty is about not having to follow rule or something akin to that from Brussels.
If you are going to complain like that, perhaps chose something like the NI Protocol, where we don’t have real terms sovereignty - signed by my government but totally against my wishes.
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Tbh I'm passed caring and I'm not wasting anymore time on it aside from pithy remarks
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25-09-2021, 16:27
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Indeed, however, to counter you then have some of those who voted/wanted to leave who refuse to accept that Brexit plays any part whatsoever in any of the current issues that the country faces.
Guilt on both sides
I won’t use the term Brexiteer as I don’t believe it should be used as an insult
to those that made a democratise choice.
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On the contrary, for my part at least, it is integral to my belief that this country was excessively entangled in the EU, that disentangling us would cause certain short term difficulties. Furthermore, getting into a position where we can take advantage of our newfound freedom will take time. It has been 40 years since we have had to operate an independent trade policy so obviously we’re not going to get everything was aspire to have, from day one.
I might argue whether certain things are or are not a product of Brexit, but I would certainly never argue that Brexit as a process does not come with complications. My point is, existing as a sovereign state with full democratic control of its own institutions and agencies is for the long-term good of the nation and its people, and this country’s resilience is such that it can more than cope with the effort necessary to get us there.
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