UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Originally Posted by Hugh

Dont you mean the Parthenon Marbles that were stolen by Lord Elgin?

If we have to start giving back the stuff we 'borrowed' the British Museum is screwed.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

[COLOR="Blue"]Not the point at all. It’s the EU being so far up themselves and the countries being so petty (and greedy for the fish).

I don't understand why you wanted to leave the EU so much when every element of negotiation so outrages you. The EU is going to make demands, some will be met and others will be conceded.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Damien

If we have to start giving back the stuff we 'borrowed' the British Museum is screwed.

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I don't understand why you wanted to leave the EU so much when every element of negotiation so outrages you. The EU is going to make demands, some will be met and others will be conceded.

I understand your point - but during yhe WA negotiations I was pointing out much of the sentiment evolving here. The EU are making petty demands plus Spain has a veto if they don't like the arrangements for Gibraltar. What's not to outrage? The whole point of Brexit was to regain sovereignty. I personally would like to see Varadkar stiffed and Macron as well - the enemy.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I understand your point - but during yhe WA negotiations I was pointing out much of the sentiment evolving here. The EU are making petty demands plus Spain has a veto if they don't like the arrangements for Gibraltar. What's not to outrage? The whole point of Brexit was to regain sovereignty. I personally would like to see Varadkar stiffed and Macron as well - the enemy.

Your still 'stiffing' everyone and trying to find enemies I see. This is what Brexit was all about, picking a fight because we like that sort of thing. Living in peace and harmony with our neighbours has always irritated us. 'We're better and superior to you' seems to be the argument - we're really not.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I understand your point - but during yhe WA negotiations I was pointing out much of the sentiment evolving here. The EU are making petty demands plus Spain has a veto if they don't like the arrangements for Gibraltar. What's not to outrage? The whole point of Brexit was to regain sovereignty. I personally would like to see Varadkar stiffed and Macron as well - the enemy.

It's not a mature way to view international relations or politics. Macron is not the enemy but his interests lie in France and the French economy not ours, so he'll be looking to exploit every advantage he can from the current situation.

In the end what matters is the skill of the negotiators a bit and the cards they have to play the most. It is not up to Macron to help us out. If our hand is so strong then let him talk all he wants because he has no cards to play. If he succeeds in getting an advantage over us then that would only be him having done his job and us failing in ours.

France, Ireland, Germany and the EU. As far as trade goes they're currently on the other side of the table. Once it's all done and dusted then amicability will return and the only people will be upset will be those who seemed to want to leave the EU purely out of spite that other countries exist - and they'll always be unhappy anyway but thankfully they're a very small minority.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Your still 'stiffing' everyone and trying to find enemies I see. This is what Brexit was all about, picking a fight because we like that sort of thing. Living in peace and harmony with our neighbours has always irritated us. 'We're better and superior to you' seems to be the argument - we're really not.

Yes - still stiffing; but the same villains as before Brexit.
It's consistency on my part. Most Brexiters want to see those two get got.

As to the rest of your paragraph - it's totally non-sequitur. "Better &* superior" doesn't come into it. It's all about sovereignty and thus not being judged by the ECJ.


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Originally Posted by Damien

It's not a mature way to view international relations or politics. Macron is not the enemy but his interests lie in France and the French economy not ours, so he'll be looking to exploit every advantage he can from the current situation.

In the end what matters is the skill of the negotiators a bit and the cards they have to play the most. It is not up to Macron to help us out. If our hand is so strong then let him talk all he wants because he has no cards to play. If he succeeds in getting an advantage over us then that would only be him having done his job and us failing in ours.

France, Ireland, Germany and the EU. As far as trade goes they're currently on the other side of the table. Once it's all done and dusted then amicability will return and the only people will be upset will be those who seemed to want to leave the EU purely out of spite that other countries exist - and they'll always be unhappy anyway but thankfully they're a very small minority.

Macron is not the enemy but his interests lie in France and the French economy not ours, so he'll be looking to exploit every advantage he can from the current situation. . We know all that. His demands make him stiffable.


In the end what matters is the skill of the negotiators a bit and the cards they have to play the most. It is not up to Macron to help us out. If our hand is so strong then let him talk all he wants because he has no cards to play. If he succeeds in getting an advantage over us then that would only be him having done his job and us failing in ours. What does Macron expect us to do? Cave in? Does he want to sell us his poxy Citroens?
His smelly cheese? His wines that are equalled by the New World?

France, Ireland, Germany and the EU. As far as trade goes they're currently on the other side of the table. Once it's all done and dusted then amicability will return and the only people will be upset will be those who seemed to want to leave the EU purely out of spite that other countries exist - and they'll always be unhappy anyway but thankfully they're a very small minority. They ought to think about what will get them in the right position to trade with us not get up our nose. I hope you're not associating me with what I've highlighted in red. Obviously I want a trade deal with them, but those two perfidious individuals are way high on my shit list.

[nomadking]

So what exactly has the EU been saying that is even remotely "a mature way to view international relations or politics"? They're making demands of the UK that no other country would ask, never mind accept.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So what exactly has the EU been saying that is even remotely "a mature way to view international relations or politics"? They're making demands of the UK that no other country would ask, never mind accept.

We need to find the solutions, not the EU, our choice to leave. I'm sure we thought about all this before we left, and aren't suddenly panicking with no plan...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

We need to find the solutions, not the EU, our choice to leave. I'm sure we thought about all this before we left, and aren't suddenly panicking with no plan...

What - they don't want to sell us their Skodas, BMWs, Mercs and the rest? They don't want our intelligence and defence cooperation? Don't we both need to find solutions and certainly not be publicly needled by those perfidious individuals?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What - they don't want to sell us their Skodas, BMWs, Mercs and the rest? They don't want our intelligence and defence cooperation? Don't we both need to find solutions and certainly not be publicly needled by those perfidious individuals?

That's what make me laugh most about Brexiteers, they're all driving German cars ! They are going to cost quite a bit more now. Never mind we can always resurrect the Austin Allegro....

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

That's what make me laugh most about Brexiteers, they're all driving German cars ! They are going to cost quite a bit more now.

That’s the whole point of doing a trade deal. But if the EU don’t want a deal and want to increase the cost their cars, there’s plenty of choice out there.

I’ve recently ditched my two Audi’s for two new Fords.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

That's what make me laugh most about Brexiteers, they're all driving German cars ! They are going to cost quite a bit more now. Never mind we can always resurrect the Austin Allegro....

Typical lefty misinformation. Whatever makes you laugh, though.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Never mind we can always resurrect the Austin Allegro....

Hey . . nothing (much) wrong with the old Allegro . . well mebbe the steering wheel was a bit odd . . but it was a car I could fix myself without the need of expensive computer equipment, it didn't have a myriad of pointless sensors that failed and required costly replacing before you could drive it again, a full exhaust cost about £50, and I could change the bloody headlight bulb in 5 minutes

. . the awful Talbot Horizon was a different kettle of fish though


ooops, sorry to mention fish

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s the whole point of doing a trade deal. But if the EU don’t want a deal and want to increase the cost their cars, there’s plenty of choice out there.

I’ve recently ditched my two Audi’s for two new Fords.

Which Fords did you go for;

Fiesta - made in Germany
Focus - made in Germany
B-Max - made in Germany
C-Max - made in Germany
S-Max - made in Spain
Galaxy - made in Spain
Kuga - made in Spain
Ecosport - made in Romania

[Pierre]

Never mind we can always resurrect the Austin Allegro...

well if Labour hadn't single-handedly killed the UK car industry, we might have had something better by now.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Which Fords did you go for;

Fiesta - made in Germany
Focus - made in Germany
B-Max - made in Germany
C-Max - made in Germany
S-Max - made in Spain
Galaxy - made in Spain
Kuga - made in Spain
Ecosport - made in Romania

Mustang v8 5.0 convertible, made in the USA

Ford Ranger Wildtrack, made in the USA

There are three decent Nissan models built in the UK that won’t attract import duties no matter what. Or there’s the Astra if you have no self respect at all.