Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Anyone would think you didn't want them to go...

Well I don't but that doesn't influence my post. Most people contribute less than they take out unless you're at the higher end of the tax scale.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well I don't but that doesn't influence my post. Most people contribute less than they take out unless you're at the higher end of the tax scale.

I do want them to go and it does influence my posts.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I do want them to go and it does influence my posts.

Right..but we're still discussing the validity of the article. Whilst it's probably true it's relevance is questionable especially since Scotland is currently a net contributor to the UK.

[nashville]

I am just catching up here. But I still believe we need to stay together. Alex Salmon just wants power, Can,t stand the man

[Osem]

Anyone who puts their faith in Salmond ought to examine their reasons for so doing. Is it really for the long term good of Scotland or is it just a perceived chance to get one over the 'auld enemy' that'll will ultimately cost them dear. I think Salmond is the Scottish Parliament's version of George Galloway. He sounds good on TV but what has he ever really achieved? Anyway, I'm quite glad it's out of my hands and won't be weeping whatever the final decision. In fact it'd be quite nice to see how well Salmond does trying to live up to all the populist rhetoric he's spouted over the years when he's no longer got the English to blame for all Scotland's ills.

Originally Posted by Damien

Not sure that makes much sense, or means anything. I think most people take more from the state than they give back. I certainly do, I have a job but I've gone though the entire school system, had treatment on the NHS, am protected by the police and so on. My taxes don't come anywhere near meeting that value.

I don't think that situation is unique to Scotland. She has just presented in a way that makes it seem unusual.

It doesn't ,it's one of those collection of figures that can be interpreted any number of ways .Is she including the oil revenue? ,is she referring to people receiving state benefits like family allowance ? Is she including her own wage ?.Since making that statement last week (descibed as her mit romney moment) she has not clarified how she applied the figures or what figures she has used to come to that conclusion

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well I don't but that doesn't influence my post. Most people contribute less than they take out unless you're at the higher end of the tax scale.

Not true in my case.

Healthcare - I pay for GP ,Hospital, scripts (all private)
Education - Grand children private schools If and when Uni -that will be paid for - guess by then no "state" help will be in place
Bus pass - do not have one.
Social services- not used
Library- not used since Kindle came on the market
Fly first class - so pay extra tax for that. Just to have a better seat !!! On top of paying tax on what I earn.
State pension - will not claimed when of age. The less I appear on "state radar" the happier I am.
Tax paid at highest rate. In France ,USA & UK. Money earned in each country stays in that country.
As far as "pay back" is concerned I lose. So please take it personally when I moan about Welfare , NHS or the government giving my money to countries that send up rockets but their people starve. and the reason despite not being happy about the man Mitt Romney will get my vote.

As Scotland only costs "me" money - GOOD BYE & good luck

Originally Posted by Itshim

Not true in my case.

Healthcare - I pay for GP ,Hospital, scripts (all private)
Education - Grand children private schools If and when Uni -that will be paid for - guess by then no "state" help will be in place
Bus pass - do not have one.
Social services- not used
Library- not used since Kindle came on the market
Fly first class - so pay extra tax for that. Just to have a better seat !!! On top of paying tax on what I earn.
State pension - will not claimed when of age. The less I appear on "state radar" the happier I am.
Tax paid at highest rate. In France ,USA & UK. Money earned in each country stays in that country.
As far as "pay back" is concerned I lose. So please take it personally when I moan about Welfare , NHS or the government giving my money to countries that send up rockets but their people starve. and the reason despite not being happy about the man Mitt Romney will get my vote.

As Scotland only costs "me" money - GOOD BYE & good luck

Well Mitt Romney doesn't decide British economic policy regardless. I still never understood why you claim to have been disappointed in Obama and switched to Romney, your politics are very solidly Republican.

Anyway, you're part of the few that puts more than you put in. Although you don't get nothing. The society you live in benefits from an healthy and educated workforce, just because you don't use it doesn't mean the doctors you pay didn't or the teachers that education your grandchildren didn't either. There are all sorts of ways that society as a whole helps you.

I am not going to take it personally when you moan about welfare. I don't receive it at the moment, nor would I feel 'personally offended' if I did.

As for Scotland they, as a whole, do not cost you money. They are contributing more to the union than they take for the moment.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well Mitt Romney doesn't decide British economic policy regardless. I still never understood why you claim to have been disappointed in Obama and switched to Romney, your politics are very solidly Republican.

Anyway, you're part of the few that puts more than you put in. Although you don't get nothing. The society you live in benefits from an healthy and educated workforce, just because you don't use it doesn't mean the doctors you pay didn't or the teachers that education your grandchildren didn't either. There are all sorts of ways that society as a whole helps you.

I am not going to take it personally when you moan about welfare. I don't receive it at the moment, nor would I feel 'personally offended' if I did.

As for Scotland they, as a whole, do not cost you money. They are contributing more to the union than they take for the moment.

Stupidly I thought Obama was different & was the best man on offer at the time - So I voted for him. I am not a registered Republican. & my vote swings a lot. I never claimed that I do not benefit from what I contribute to in society however I do moan about the number of persons that feel that I should look after them,because they are too lazy to look after them self's.

As I understand it Scotland "spends" more money than the taxes raise in it. So as I see it that is a net cost.


The gulf in state spending between Scotland and England has hit a record £1,600 per head.
Government spending in Scotland averaged £10,212 per person last year – £1,624 per head more than in England.
The staggering figures, buried in Treasury documents, reveal the gap increased by more than 15 per cent in only a year.

Under the arrangements, the Scots receive 10 per cent of the money handed out by Whitehall, despite having little more than eight per cent of the population.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz295Hn2FFO

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Itshim

As I understand it Scotland "spends" more money than the taxes raise in it. So as I see it that is a net cost.

You understand wrong, of course the Daily Heil is never the best source for unbiased opinions. Probably a little more balanced opinion from the BBC.

Put it another way: Scotland provided 9.4% of total UK revenues and got 'only' 9.2% of UK public spending in return.

Of course its not just a simple exercise, oil revenues can't be split evenly, defence spending isn't a clear cut number and the lower population density will always mean more spending per head on infrastructure projects.

Originally Posted by Itshim

Not true in my case.

Healthcare - I pay for GP ,Hospital, scripts (all private)
If you have an accident, it won't be a private ambulance that picks you up, or private A&E
Education - Grand children private schools If and when Uni -that will be paid for - guess by then no "state" help will be in place
Except that private schools are registered charities, and have various tax exemptions supporting them, thus depriving everyone else of tax revenue
Bus pass - do not have one.
Most bus services have public subsidies, especially in outlying areas
Social services- not used
Library- not used since Kindle came on the market
But you did use it previously
Fly first class - so pay extra tax for that. Just to have a better seat !!! On top of paying tax on what I earn.
State pension - will not claimed when of age. The less I appear on "state radar" the happier I am.
Tax paid at highest rate. In France ,USA & UK. Money earned in each country stays in that country.
As far as "pay back" is concerned I lose. So please take it personally when I moan about Welfare , NHS or the government giving my money to countries that send up rockets but their people starve. and the reason despite not being happy about the man Mitt Romney will get my vote.

As Scotland only costs "me" money - GOOD BYE & good luck

Originally Posted by Itshim

Not true in my case.

Healthcare - I pay for GP ,Hospital, scripts (all private)
Education - Grand children private schools If and when Uni -that will be paid for - guess by then no "state" help will be in place
Bus pass - do not have one.
Social services- not used
Library- not used since Kindle came on the market
Fly first class - so pay extra tax for that. Just to have a better seat !!! On top of paying tax on what I earn.
State pension - will not claimed when of age. The less I appear on "state radar" the happier I am.
Tax paid at highest rate. In France ,USA & UK. Money earned in each country stays in that country.
As far as "pay back" is concerned I lose. So please take it personally when I moan about Welfare , NHS or the government giving my money to countries that send up rockets but their people starve. and the reason despite not being happy about the man Mitt Romney will get my vote.

As Scotland only costs "me" money - GOOD BYE & good luck

So it's you and your private hospital that's nicking all our state trained nurses and doctors that i have paid for

social services will be there though if you ever need them ,i know it's a little far fetched but just suppose the banks go bust and all your money disappears shock horror you may even need a state pension

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Derek

You understand wrong, of course the Daily Heil is never the best source for unbiased opinions. Probably a little more balanced opinion from the BBC.

Arh,yes the BBC
The programme maker, that thinks that Christianity has no relevance to world history.
When figures are released that show global warming have not increased is not newsworthy .
That suppressed a programme about Savile .
I can understand why you would rely them for the facts.

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Originally Posted by martyh

So it's you and your private hospital that's nicking all our state trained nurses and doctors that i have paid for

YES

social services will be there though if you ever need them ,i know it's a little far fetched but just suppose the banks go bust and all your money disappears shock horror you may even need a state pension

If that happened & we as a family needed help. Then the state pension would have long gone , & it would be every man for himself

Originally Posted by Itshim

The programme maker, that thinks that Christianity has no relevance to world history.
When figures are released that show global warming have not increased is not newsworthy .
That suppressed a programme about Savile .
I can understand why you would rely them for the facts.

Again, items you have picked up off The Daily Mail...

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Damien

Again, items you have picked up off The Daily Mail...

That might have something to do with reading it most days

As I guess you must do as well. Dont you just "love" Peter Hitchen. Say it like it is