Bring Back Fox Hunting

[TheDaddy]

Grrr I don't like foxes but I dislike the amount of parlimentary time that's been wasted on the issue over the years even more (over 700 hours IIRC) and now when the issue has finally been put to bed Dave Cameron wants to see the thing put back to square one.

"My own view is the hunting ban is a bad piece of legislation, it hasn't worked, it has made a mockery of the law, a lot of time was wasted on it, and I think we would be better off without it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...nting-ban.html

[papa smurf]

on the jeremy vine show bbc radio 2
he was discussing iner city fox hunting the other day..
this involves chasing down street foxes with packs of dogs such as pit bulls /rottweilers etc ,dogs that have been turned into vicious killing machines so people can indulge in yet another "sport" .

Read upto page five of this thread and living in the country most of my life a couple of things struck me. One foxes do not just kill what they need they will kill everything in a given area i have seen it with chickens and even lambs when there are a couple of them. Foxes are not the cute little fluffy things many people believe them to be in the nice big towns and citys they are a nuisance and can be a big problem.

Two fox hunts didn't always manage to catch a fox and that wasn't strictly the point of them. Main point was to put caution into the fox population making them wary to go beyond a certain area and keep them from spreading something that since the ban they have done in many many areas. Where i live i can look out my window any night and see at least two foxes roaming and when they can killing cats. They have a little routine which seems to work well for them.

Opposite my house is a secondary school with a nice big gate and everynight the foxes will come out walk across the little car park and hide behind the pillars and wait for a stupid cat and when one comes near through the gate it goes and the fox walks back to it's home with a fresh cat. This issue did not need to be addressed in the way it was but labour has a simple mantra "if we don't like it ban it" and this along with a few other things was a victim of that.

Personally i would prefer the hunts to start up again so the foxes would bugger off out of the town taking with them the killing of people's pet cats and the mess they make everytime someone doesn't put a binbag in the wheelie bin and i wouldn't miss them at all.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

...labour has a simple mantra "if we don't like it ban it" ....

Too true.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

on the jeremy vine show bbc radio 2
he was discussing iner city fox hunting the other day..
this involves chasing down street foxes with packs of dogs such as pit bulls /rottweilers etc ,dogs that have been turned into vicious killing machines so people can indulge in yet another "sport" .

Well, the ban only got through parliament because some of the crusty old Labourites are still waging a class war against the 'toffs'. Perhaps someone should point out to them that hunting foxes with dogs is now an acceptable working class pastime. I bet they'd repeal the ban in a instant.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Read upto page five of this thread and living in the country most of my life a couple of things struck me. One foxes do not just kill what they need they will kill everything in a given area i have seen it with chickens and even lambs when there are a couple of them. Foxes are not the cute little fluffy things many people believe them to be in the nice big towns and citys they are a nuisance and can be a big problem.

Two fox hunts didn't always manage to catch a fox and that wasn't strictly the point of them. Main point was to put caution into the fox population making them wary to go beyond a certain area and keep them from spreading something that since the ban they have done in many many areas. Where i live i can look out my window any night and see at least two foxes roaming and when they can killing cats. They have a little routine which seems to work well for them.

Opposite my house is a secondary school with a nice big gate and everynight the foxes will come out walk across the little car park and hide behind the pillars and wait for a stupid cat and when one comes near through the gate it goes and the fox walks back to it's home with a fresh cat. This issue did not need to be addressed in the way it was but labour has a simple mantra "if we don't like it ban it" and this along with a few other things was a victim of that.

Personally i would prefer the hunts to start up again so the foxes would bugger off out of the town taking with them the killing of people's pet cats and the mess they make everytime someone doesn't put a binbag in the wheelie bin and i wouldn't miss them at all.

the hunts wont stop that and fox migration in to urban areas was happening long before hunting stopped and could arguably been because of the less likely hood of being hunted

as to foxes killing everything in an area lol what do you expect if you herd together a load of food whether it be a fox ferret or dog that got loose in a hen house not much would survive

as to lambs that's what we used to have shepherds for again if you put a plentiful food source in an enclosed area then its likely a predator will kill many

fox hunting isn't the way to solve any of those problems and in any case often they had to breed foxes to hunt because the area was being used mainly for crop farming

going back to a barbaric way of hunting for pleasure for that is all it was is taking us backwards and gives us less moral grounds to opose other countries maltreatment of animals

Well Roger when we had regular hunts where i live we had no foxes in town and it isn't just my opinion that the hunts stopped them it is the opinion of many of the local farmers and land workers who i speak to quite often. As to your point of foxes being bred for hunts i don't know about where you live but it never happened here as there was always plenty of them to be hunted though not nearly as many as there are now.

Also most animals in the wild will kill what they need and having 200 chickens in a 2 acre field is hardly what i call squahed into a small area either. This issue like all issues will have those that support it and those that do not, i support it you don't and by the sounds of it we both have differeing experiences supporting that stance.

[injuneer]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Opposite my house is a secondary school with a nice big gate and everynight the foxes will come out walk across the little car park and hide behind the pillars and wait for a stupid cat and when one comes near through the gate it goes and the fox walks back to it's home with a fresh cat. This issue did not need to be addressed in the way it was but labour has a simple mantra "if we don't like it ban it" and this along with a few other things was a victim of that.

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As already mentioned any predator will kill what it can & come back for the rest later but they are usually denied the opportunity. All I can say on the cat subject is that you must have some really weedy cats in your area. There is a cute fluffy cat that lives near me & the Foxes won't even pass her if she is blocking their route, they take a long detour.
Personally I find the behaviour of many so called 'civilised' humans far more repugnant than those of wild creatures whose only aim is survival.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Well Roger when we had regular hunts where i live we had no foxes in town and it isn't just my opinion that the hunts stopped them it is the opinion of many of the local farmers and land workers who i speak to quite often. As to your point of foxes being bred for hunts i don't know about where you live but it never happened here as there was always plenty of them to be hunted though not nearly as many as there are now.

Also most animals in the wild will kill what they need and having 200 chickens in a 2 acre field is hardly what i call squahed into a small area either. This issue like all issues will have those that support it and those that do not, i support it you don't and by the sounds of it we both have differeing experiences supporting that stance.

Sorry Rizzy but there has never been a hunt round here and we've been infested with urban foxes for 40 years.The reason we get foxes here is the way in which we live cheek by jowl and there is always a bin or rubbish bag for them to raid and even saps on hand who feed them.The result is a bunch of mangy animals that are a threat to anyone trying to keep rabbits or hens or any kind of pet.

I'm also bemused by one friend who feeds the foxes but sets out a trap for his local squirrel?Weird!

Yes we have a family that puts out food for the damn things as well because they are cute .

[TheDaddy]

Got news for you chaps, the country is in a right old mess and we the majority of the country don't want a seconds more parlimentary time wasted on this issue.

Hunt organisers have told supporters that the sport needs a decisive Conservative victory – Mr Cameron is expected to allow MPs a free vote on letting traditional hunting resume

Thank goodness such a decisive victory is unlikely then......


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...o-1929969.html

Leaving aside the likelihood of a hung Parliament ...

Isn't it comforting that a simple free vote on the issue will put it to bed in next to no time, rather than the palaver we had with Blair eating up huge amounts of Parliamentary time on the issue as a sop to keep his lefty backbenchers under the NuLabour thumb.

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Good find though Daddy. This bit is quite telling:

It is targeting 140 MPs who voted for the 2004 Hunting Act, which makes it illegal to use dogs to hunt down foxes and other wild animals. The hunts currently stay within the law by laying a scent trail for the hounds to follow. Its contribution to the Conservative campaign is in mobilising hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of volunteers.

This is what happens when democracy is used as a fig leaf to disguise naked class prejudice.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Chris

Leaving aside the likelihood of a hung Parliament ...

Isn't it comforting that a simple free vote on the issue will put it to bed in next to no time, rather than the palaver we had with Blair eating up huge amounts of Parliamentary time on the issue as a sop to keep his lefty backbenchers under the NuLabour thumb.

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Good find though Daddy. This bit is quite telling:

This is what happens when democracy is used as a fig leaf to disguise naked class prejudice.

will the fox population get a vote ?

Only if my neighbour's chickens get one as well.

[dilli-theclaw]

I am only sad that i can no longer see well enough to shoot the vermin.