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Old 16-10-2020, 10:36   #286
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I've said it many times, we are governed and policed by consent of the people. Once you lose that you lose everything. I'm not suggesting a revolution or anything near that, but you can bet your bottom dollar there would be civil unrest and more anti-lockdown protests.
Pierre's revolutionary French side is starting to show though.
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The day is fast approaching when the majority of unaffected people are going to say, **** this, let me live my life and support my family, there are way too many people losing their jobs/livelihoods for the (unfortunate few) that will die from this virus, don't get me wrong, but if no vaccine is forthcoming what else do we do?
We don't start getting a flaky! Honestly, this sounds like the kids "Are we there yet?" when still in the drive!

I think only Trump and Putin have talked about a vaccine being available before Summer 2021. So we continue to manage the virus until then.
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Old 16-10-2020, 11:26   #288
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Well as we blindly walk into a cashless society the government can control us even more. No point going out if you can't buy anything because your "account" is locked except maybe for the closest supermarket. So any "revolt" can be controlled smoothly and cleanly without all that messy riot police responses. And if you do attend a "revolt" that nice CV19 tracing app will plot that attendance.
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Re: Coronavirus

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MANCHESTER could be forced into a Tier 3 lockdown today despite city leaders rejecting the plans in a huge battle of the North.

The city is set to be slapped with the strictest restrictions even if No10 cannot come to an agreement with northern leaders.

Dominic Raab said this morning it would be a "last resort" to do it without their support, but warned action was needed to tackle the Covid infection rate.

In a blistering attack on Manchester mayor Andy Burnham, Mr Raab accused him of trying to hold the Government "over a barrel" and said they'll keep powers to push Northern hotspots into lockdown "in reserve".

It comes after a furious Mr Burnham rejected the Tier 3 plans yesterday, saying they were being used as "canaries in the coal mine" and jobs in the North were being "sacrificed to save them elsewhere".

Boris Johnson is also poised to announce a Tier 3 lockdown for Lancashire and the North East today, as the Foreign Secretary told Mr Burnham the Government wouldn't let him "pull up the drawbridge".

Mr Raab told the BBC this morning: "We'll hold in reserve the ability to (impose measures on Manchester).
Imposition by dictat is likely to go down like a lead balloon.

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Re: Coronavirus

Well if there's one thing we know it's that a Tory Government isn't likely to delay in blaming northerners for causing the deaths of other northerners regardless of how poorly performing the apparatus of the state is.

Northerners shouldn't play into their hands.
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Re: Coronavirus

Welcome to the matrix, will you take the blue pill or the red one?
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Welcome to the matrix, will you take the blue pill or the red one?
Is there a multi-coloured one.
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Is there a multi-coloured one.

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Welcome to 1984.


Imposition by dictat is likely to go down like a lead balloon.

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Labour Manchester Mayor opposes lockdown, Labour Westminster Leader call for national lockdown. Good to see we're all on the same page.

Now it becomes a matter of negotiation whether you are going into lockdown or not?

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashi...covid-19087899

So maybe Burnham is just waiting for an improved offer?
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Well if there's one thing we know it's that a Tory Government isn't likely to delay in blaming northerners for causing the deaths of other northerners regardless of how poorly performing the apparatus of the state is.

Northerners shouldn't play into their hands.
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Labour Manchester Mayor opposes lockdown, Labour Westminster Leader call for national lockdown. Good to see we're all on the same page.

Now it becomes a matter of negotiation whether you are going into lockdown or not?

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashi...covid-19087899

So maybe Burnham is just waiting for an improved offer?
Interestingly, the Conservative opposition in Manchester is behind Andy Burnham's position too.
But would the government dare give Manchester a better offer than Liverpool or Lancashire? Hopefully it will be an across-the-board improvement if agreed.
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Labour Manchester Mayor opposes lockdown, Labour Westminster Leader call for national lockdown. Good to see we're all on the same page.

Now it becomes a matter of negotiation whether you are going into lockdown or not?

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashi...covid-19087899

So maybe Burnham is just waiting for an improved offer?
Burnham supports National Lockdown, just like Starmer.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...rnham-12104944

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Urging the government to pursue a different course and consider a return to stringent England-wide restrictions, the Greater Manchester mayor said: "I've said it may be that we need to look at a national circuit break as preferable to this unfunded, risky regional lockdown strategy.

"We have to protect the health of the nation but let's do it as one nation, and not make the north of England the sacrificial lamb for an ill-thought-through Downing Street policy which doesn't make sense in the real world."

Mr Burnham claimed Prof Van-Tam had told Greater Manchester leaders that "the only certain thing to work is a national lockdown".

"But the government told us this morning it is unwilling to do that because of the damage it will do to the national economy," he said.

"And yet that is what they want to impose on the North West."
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Interestingly, the Conservative opposition in Manchester is behind Andy Burnham's position too.
But would the government dare give Manchester a better offer than Liverpool or Lancashire? Hopefully it will be an across-the-board improvement if agreed.
l am looking at some of the tier 3 lockdown criteria of Lancashire compared to Manchester and Liverpool and can you answer the question on why gyms are still allowed to open in Lancashire but not in the Liverpool region as that is just one inconsistency as l am sure there are others as well..
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l am looking at some of the tier 3 lockdown criteria of Lancashire compared to Manchester and Liverpool and can you answer the question on why gyms are still allowed to open in Lancashire but not in the Liverpool region as that is just one inconsistency as l am sure there are others as well..
I think Liverpool requested some additional closures including gyms, casinos and betting shops.
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I think Liverpool requested some additional closures including gyms, casinos and betting shops.
Liverpool say they had no say in the gym closures according to their mayor.
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