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Old 14-10-2020, 13:30   #3421
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

No real surprise. Only going to get wider if there’s no trade deal with the EU.
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Old 14-10-2020, 13:57   #3422
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No real surprise. Only going to get wider if there’s no trade deal with the EU.
Even a Canada-style deal with will impact negatively on Scotland in terms of the increased costs of doing business with the EU. And, we've barely started on trade deals yet for the rest of the World.
Not the most relaxing time to work in the spirits sector in Scotland, I would imagine. This will only feed through into such polling.

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Old 14-10-2020, 14:19   #3423
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Even a Canada-style deal with will impact negatively on Scotland in terms of the increased costs of doing business with the EU. And, we've barely started on trade deals yet for the rest of the World.
Not the most relaxing time to work in the spirits sector in Scotland, I would imagine. This will only feed through into such polling.
16-24: 79%
25-34: 68%
35-44: 70%
45-54: 55%
55-64: 57%
65+: 40%

Source: Ipsos Mori, 2-9 October.

Interesting figure for 35-44. Do I see a present day 40 year old becoming more in favour of the UK by the time they are 50, or 60?
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Old 14-10-2020, 20:50   #3424
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16-24: 79%
25-34: 68%
35-44: 70%
45-54: 55%
55-64: 57%
65+: 40%

Source: Ipsos Mori, 2-9 October.

Interesting figure for 35-44. Do I see a present day 40 year old becoming more in favour of the UK by the time they are 50, or 60?
Perhaps we should ask Wee Krankie where she would have got the money from to help businesses and individuals to survive during the lockdown if Scotland was independent. If the Scots were actually understanding that the level of support they received was only possible because they were part of the UK, they might conclude differently.

There is no financial case for an independent Scotland. It’s all emotion.
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Old 14-10-2020, 20:52   #3425
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Is there much of a downside for England from Scottish independence?
Erecting a hard border would be the main issue.


Can we have those billions back, that we sent to Scotland for Covid matters?
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Old 14-10-2020, 21:01   #3426
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Perhaps we should ask Wee Krankie where she would have got the money from to help businesses and individuals to survive during the lockdown if Scotland was independent. If the Scots were actually understanding that the level of support they received was only possible because they were part of the UK, they might conclude differently.

There is no financial case for an independent Scotland. It’s all emotion.
Where did Comrade Rishi get it?

Scottish tax receipts presumably, and borrowing. Roughly the same as any other country in the world.

This flawed unionist mantra is based on flawed unionist calculations - and will presumably be rejected with the contempt it deserves when Indyref 2 happens.

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Where did Comrade Rishi get it?
From my Grandchildren ( when they’re born) Let’s hope there’s some kind of economic boom sometime around the 2050’s.
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Old 14-10-2020, 21:10   #3428
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From my Grandchildren ( when they’re born) Let’s hope there’s some kind of economic boom sometime around the 2050’s.
That's good because I'm paying off the debts accumulated by the generation who sold off everything and have nothing but the hollow shell of a state to show for it.
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Old 14-10-2020, 21:14   #3429
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Where did Comrade Rishi get it?

Scottish tax receipts presumably, and borrowing. Roughly the same as any other country in the world.

This flawed unionist mantra is based on flawed unionist calculations - and will presumably be rejected with the contempt it deserves when Indyref 2 happens.
I think maybe you should go over the math again.
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Old 14-10-2020, 21:16   #3430
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I think maybe you should go over the math again.
Scottish tax receipts are unknown. GERS gets discredited every year as an estimate. An estimate that relies on HMRC apportioning tax receipts to Scotland in a way that's simply impossible to calculate accurately. VAT for one.

Neither does it reflect the ability of Scotland to vary it's tax receipts. Maybe something like Sweden - raising public expenditure to 50% of GDP, raising some taxes to support it and having a happier society overall. High levels of public trust between Government and the people. A healthcare system that wouldn't readily be overwhelmed by Covid. It could really be something to aspire to...

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Where did Comrade Rishi get it?

Scottish tax receipts presumably, and borrowing. Roughly the same as any other country in the world.

This flawed unionist mantra is based on flawed unionist calculations - and will presumably be rejected with the contempt it deserves when Indyref 2 happens.
All paid for by scotland's national pastime, swilling buckfast
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All paid for by scotland's national pastime, swilling buckfast
Almost infinite tax revenue there in the Central Belt.
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Where did Comrade Rishi get it?

Scottish tax receipts presumably, and borrowing. Roughly the same as any other country in the world.

This flawed unionist mantra is based on flawed unionist calculations - and will presumably be rejected with the contempt it deserves when Indyref 2 happens.
When you're running a deficit the size of Scotland's, borrowing is more difficult and much more expensive. Certain EU countries LOST market access to borrowing, eg Greece, Ireland. So every other country in the world CANNOT always borrow freely.

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That's good because I'm paying off the debts accumulated by the generation who sold off everything and have nothing but the hollow shell of a state to show for it.
I believe what they have to show for it is.......a nation, hollow or not. As it was 2no. World Wars that near bankrupted us. The 1st doing the most damage, followed by the Great Depression and then the 2nd.

I’m not sure the alternative, certainly 2nd time around the 1st we shouldn’t have been involved in, would have been conducive For anyone and considering the alternative was certainly worth the money.
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When you're running a deficit the size of Scotland's, borrowing is more difficult and much more expensive. Certain EU countries LOST market access to borrowing, eg Greece, Ireland. So every other country in the world CANNOT borrow freely.
Again this is based on UK Government apportioning tax receipts to Scotland in a manner that cannot genuinely be done due to the complexities of some taxes. VAT being one of the biggest challenges.
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