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Old 18-10-2020, 11:31   #331
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Re: Coronavirus

Leaked Canadian memo lays out future of world Covid response (allegedly).

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What we were told was that in order to offset what was essentially an economic collapse on a international scale, that the federal government was going to offer Canadians a total debt relief. This is how it works: the federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program. In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever...


...That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas. That we need to take advantage of the situations before us to promote change on a grander scale for the betterment of everyone.
https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this...21-you-decide/

https://cairnsnews.org/2020/10/16/ca...mpression=true
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Re: Coronavirus

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Leaked Canadian memo lays out future of world Covid response (allegedly).



https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this...21-you-decide/

https://cairnsnews.org/2020/10/16/ca...mpression=true
Thank goodness for great sources like these reporting what the MSM elites do not allow us to read. Bravo!
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Old 18-10-2020, 12:16   #333
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Re: Coronavirus

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Leaked Canadian memo lays out future of world Covid response (allegedly).
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What we were told was that in order to offset what was essentially an economic collapse on a international scale, that the federal government was going to offer Canadians a total debt relief. This is how it works: the federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program. In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever...


...That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas. That we need to take advantage of the situations before us to promote change on a grander scale for the betterment of everyone.


https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this...21-you-decide/

https://cairnsnews.org/2020/10/16/ca...mpression=true
They missed out the important bit, where they are implanting explosive tracking microchips into everyone when they give them the vaccine...
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Old 18-10-2020, 13:16   #334
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There is something called the great reset but this isn't it and never going to happen.
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Re: Coronavirus

Sunday 18th October.
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Mayor Andy Burnham has this afternoon written to the Prime Minister and party leaders urging them to come to an agreement over Greater Manchesterís lockdown measures - with a fair resolution on a finance package for the region should it enter Tier 3.
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Dear Prime Minister and Party Leaders

Support for people and businesses affected by Tier 3 restrictions

You will be aware that Greater Manchester and the Government have so far failed to reach agreement on the introduction of new Tier 3 restrictions and crucially on the financial support to accompany any such restrictions.

We recognise the uncertainty that this is causing and write to ask for your help in breaking the impasse and finding a fair resolution. This could be done by Parliament calling an urgent debate and vote this week to establish a cross-Party consensus on what constitutes a fair financial framework for people in areas under Tier 3 restrictions.

As you will know, Greater Manchester has been under Tier 2-style restrictions for approaching three months. It is important to say that, by agreeing to work with the Government on this back in July, we have shown we will take the difficult decisions needed to protect health and control the virus. However, these restrictions have taken a toll on people and businesses. We have our doubts about whether Tier 3 will succeed in bringing down the number of cases and note similar comments from the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Advisor. However, that aside, we are clear that the level of support being offered to areas entering Tier 3 will be insufficient both to prevent people experiencing serious hardship in the run-up to Christmas and businesses from collapsing.

And yet this is not just a Greater Manchester issue. With the challenging winter that lies ahead of the country, it is likely that most places will find themselves in Tier 3 at some point before a vaccine is found. That is why we believe it is right for Parliament to debate and agree what is a fair level of support for people and businesses in those areas. At present, local areas are agreeing individual deals with the Government. It is by no means clear that these will be sufficient to cope with the pressures they will face. Also, the lack of transparency about this process and the risks of differential treatment is potentially divisive.

Establishing clear national entitlements of the kind we had during the first lockdown will create a sense of fairness which in turn would help build public support for, and compliance with, any new restrictions. We believe that sense of fairness will only be achieved by providing similar terms to the financial package afforded to the whole country back in March. Given that it is predominantly low-wage industries that are being required to close in Tier 3, failure to provide equivalent support will appear discriminatory against people who are employed or self-employed within them or within industries that rely on them, such as the taxi trade and security.

Together with the Mayors of the Liverpool City Region and North of Tyne, we set out on Friday what we believe is the minimum level of support that should come with Tier 3 status:

A full and fair furlough scheme for all affected workers, covering 80% of an employeeís regular wage or at least the national minimum wage. We believe that this should be paid to workers in businesses forced to close but also those in the supply chain that can provide evidence of a major loss of trade caused by the closures.
A Self-Employed Income Support Scheme set at 80% of average monthly income. This should be available to those who can provide evidence of a major loss of trade arising from Tier 3 closures, including freelancers.
An improved compensation scheme for businesses directly or indirectly impacted based on the national scheme on rateable values.
If more parts of the country are to move into Tier 3 restrictions in the coming weeks, it is vital that local people and businesses know what financial support they can expect and can plan accordingly.

As Leaders of the main political parties in Westminster, I urge you to work together to help resolve this current dispute and establish a fair financial framework for local lockdowns that the whole country will be able to support.

Yours faithfully,

Andy Burnham

Mayor of Greater Manchester
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...rnham-19123852
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Re: Coronavirus

I abandoned a shopping trip to Tesco when I saw the crowds of students milling about outside the entrance.

I went back later and security had dispersed them, but once inside I encountered large groups of them chatting and blocking the aisles.

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Re: Coronavirus

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I abandoned a shopping trip to Tesco when I saw the crowds of students milling about outside the entrance.

I went back later and security had dispersed them, but once inside I encountered large groups of them chatting and blocking the aisles.

Bless their cotton socks.

They've been taught all about their rights but nothing about responsibilities.

Mind you if you'd asked them why they weren't observing social distancing they'd probably say it's because some guy drove up the M1 months ago.
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I think that's wishful thinking seeing as we don't have vaccines for MERS or SARS, both corona viri, after 15-20 years.
Why would we ? We dont need them.
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They missed out the important bit, where they are implanting explosive tracking microchips into everyone when they give them the vaccine...
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Re: Coronavirus

A Tory Councillor and Doctor destroys the myths of herd immunity in an article in the right-wing Spectator magazine.

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There is, in fact, no precedent for natural infections providing lasting herd immunity. It doesnít happen with measles; we still get outbreaks even with a vaccine. It didnít happen with smallpox, either, or indeed countless other infectious diseases...

Those pushing herd immunity are trying to create the impression of a genuine and serious scientific debate where there is none. Quite apart from the fact that it would cost an extra few hundred thousand lives to achieve a sufficient level of post-infection immunity, thereís an increasing body of evidence that any such immunity wanes rapidly...

Another argument that is popular is that we could simply shield our elderly and vulnerable. Itís a nice idea, but one lacking any realistic and practical way forward. As a former cancer patient who has undergone chemotherapy, I just donít see how it could be possible.
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Re: Coronavirus

Thats nonsense, of course there is a precedent, thats why vaccines work at all.
I'm sure the odd person may get measles twice, but its not common, and you dont see measles epidemics.
Herd immunity does not mean everyone is immune, it means the majority are, enough to stop it spreading widely.
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Re: Coronavirus

Smallpox has been eradicated by a process of vaccination. In the past, whenever a local outbreak occurred, a team rushed out to vaccinate the locals. As long as those locals remained local, and didn't go far, then the potential for spreading was limited.

The purpose of lockdowns is not connected to herd immunity. With lockdowns, the idea is that the virus runs out of available new hosts and dies out. It doesn't lie dormant for years, lying in wait. Various infectious diseases in the past have disappeared eg Spanish Flu. How did that happen?
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Re: Coronavirus

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Thats nonsense, of course there is a precedent, thats why vaccines work at all.
I'm sure the odd person may get measles twice, but its not common, and you dont see measles epidemics.
Herd immunity does not mean everyone is immune, it means the majority are, enough to stop it spreading widely.
Except you do get them. Where vaccination rates have dropped or are generally low.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-he...-idUKKBN25L22T
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Congo says world's largest measles epidemic is over
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-50625680
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How a wrong injection helped cause Samoa's measles epidemic
Wales measles epidemic: Case numbers up to 588 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22037270

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I suspect that the way measles and other diseases are still with us is because of the cult of antivaccers.
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I suspect that the way measles and other diseases are still with us is because of the cult of antivaccers.
How does an "antivaccer" catch measles?

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