Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Florence]

Would this mean someone is manipulating phorm stock if one shows as a sell and another as a buy....

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by Florence

Those share prices seem strange it shows the large £207 as a sell yet on ill it is showns as a buy.

the way iii works is it it's above the mid point price it is classifide a buy, below a sell, it seems to get it right most of the time but sometimes a seller gets a good price and other times buyers can get a cheap deal

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Originally Posted by Florence

Would this mean someone is manipulating phorm stock if one shows as a sell and another as a buy....

i have been sat over on iii for a month or so, and there seems to be several ways and reason people buy and sell stocks , you have the rampers trying to talk up the stock to get a quick return on there investment, the shorters who use an intersting process to make money as the share price falls so they try to push the price down then you also have the long term investor who take no notice of the short term ups and down but look at long term moving average prices.

as a techie i have found it an interesting time while throwing the odd spanner in the forum as well, as do several others from here

[AlexanderHanff]

About to go into the final exam of my degree....wish me luck. Ironically it is on Decision Support Systems (which could be used to describe a behavioural advertising model).

Just two papers left to hand in after today, one for my final year group project and one on the Patriot Act.

Alexander Hanff

[Florence]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

About to go into the final exam of my degree....wish me luck. Ironically it is on Decision Support Systems (which could be used to describe a behavioural advertising model).

Just two papers left to hand in after today, one for my final year group project and one on the Patriot Act.

Alexander Hanff

Good luck Alexander we all are wishing you to pass

Good Luck Alexander - break a leg

[Florence]

I had noticed you on their bluecar a few times I have had a good laugh but avoided joining them..

[BetBlowWhistler]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

About to go into the final exam of my degree....wish me luck. Ironically it is on Decision Support Systems (which could be used to describe a behavioural advertising model).

Just two papers left to hand in after today, one for my final year group project and one on the Patriot Act.

Alexander Hanff

KILL THE HERETIC !

Seriously though, good luck

PS Forgot to mention that I switched to Zen last night - totally pain-free process and I'm now 100% guaranteed Phorm free ! Also got a little boost in speeds too...which is nice

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by Florence

I had noticed you on their bluecar a few times I have had a good laugh but avoided joining them..

i do try to keep it relevant on there and not just rant because they then ignore you, the old slowly slowly catchee monkey scenario

you have to register then wait two days before you can post, but lately even a few investors seem to be questioning the viability of phorms business model and projected incomes. brettypoos is the only one who seems to defend phorm but if you read his replies he does it to bait the ranters and techies and for a bit of fun

but i just keep chipping away

i also post on theregister but as myself "peter white" not to worried about privacy as many people called that in the uk

peter

[Florence]

Originally Posted by BetBlowWhistler

KILL THE HERETIC !

Seriously though, good luck

PS Forgot to mention that I switched to Zen last night - totally pain-free process and I'm now 100% guaranteed Phorm free ! Also got a little boost in speeds too...which is nice

Zen is a good company have friends in the techies there one in particular on MSN :P nice guy will go that extra mile.

[rogerdraig]

BT seem to have been a bit flustered by the last article about them and PHORM in "MICRO MART" and asked for some retractions

but the also offered to answer any questions "micro mart" puts to them about it and "micro mart" have asked for ideas on what to ask to be mailed to editorial@micromart.co.uk

[BetBlowWhistler]

The pre-transfer email was 100% spot on, exactly the kind of thing I would write to help someone reconfig their equipment, good mix of noddy instructions and full tech details if required - always a good sign.

The transfer across was something that reminded me that BT Wholesale will have a big part to play in this little saga, as my VCI etc all stayed the same, just my username and password changed really. DHCP then gave me a Zen IP, so the connection up to the Radius server must be the same whoever you are with (assuming you aren't unbundled).

I believe this is how some people were suggesting that BT could handle the opt-in (by using different radius profiles) but would obviously encounter some obstacles as BT Wholesale have to treat BT Retail as a customer just like everyone else (Zen for example).

However, having worked on BT's spiders-nest of a network I can say that they all run equipment on the same infrastructure at some point, so splitting them apart is more of a business level excercise than a network level one.

[Florence]

Have anyone any views on this posted on ISPreview http://www.ispreview.co.uk/articles/bt08/

[davews]

"...some real customer benefits, including better protection against phishing. Consumer research we have done suggests to us that many people would like to see relevant advertising...."

Same old stick in the mud line. Phishing offers no benefit to those who use a browser with it in - I have enabled the option in Opera and it works well, no slow down, no need for the Phorm version....

All advertising is of course irrelevant for me as I never look at them, have long been filtering them where I can. What I remain puzzled at though is how they can possibly profile your interests from a simple word search of sites you visit. Does me visiting regularly the Telegraph home page mean I have an interest in politics, no and I simply don't read those bits... Most of my browsing is to technical sites with words that Phorm probably doesn't even understand....

But I suppose that is the official word he has to say regardless of what he personally thinks.

[BetBlowWhistler]

BT has recently taken a lot of criticism for its decision to adopt Phorm's controversial advertising system, which is a complex debate and somewhat difficult to summarise into a single question. Suffice to say, what are your personal thoughts on the matter, would you be happy to have the websites you visited tracked regardless of whether it was done anonymously or not?

PGM(BT): We think Phorm offers some real customer benefits, including better protection against phishing. Consumer research we have done suggests to us that many people would like to see relevant advertising. We are going to continue to investigate this technology, and we will only include customers who want to participate in our tests.

As a matter of information the websites people visit through search engines like Google are already tracked, while online retailers like Amazon have been giving their customers targeted advertising for years.

Typical spin-doctoring. Google don't take a copy of every web page you visit, and if you used a different search engine they wouldn't see it at all.

Amazon can target advertising based on their customers' buying patterns, which is data they legally hold, not bought from some shonky outfit.

What consumer research? Who's legal advice? What PIA? What video?

Perhaps they're trying to bore us to death. They obviously have no idea how tenacious we are and how difficult it is to bore a techy :P

[OldBear]

As a matter of information the websites people visit through search engines like Google are already tracked, while online retailers like Amazon have been giving their customers targeted advertising for years.

These idiots make my blood boil.

Google track the sites webmasters have given their permission for.
Amazon only do this for account holders with permission and it can be turned off in your preferences if you don't want it.

Neither of these is an argument for BT/Webwise/Phorm being able to do it.

OB