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Old 16-02-2018, 23:16   #46
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Does it say so in the news link ?

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Surely the Ammo shop that sold the weapon(s) to a minor should be shut down.... and possibly face prosecution...
And maybe the Republicans should review who they take cash from to support their aspirations.

The NRA spent $14.5 million in campaign ads for Republicans
The NRA spent $34.5 million in ads against Democrats

Trump last year -Donald Trump marked his 99th day as US president by basking in the noisy adulation of his base and making a pledge to the National Rifle Association: “You came through for me and I am going to come through for you.”

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Old 17-02-2018, 03:36   #47
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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And maybe the Republicans should review who they take cash from to support their aspirations.

The NRA spent $14.5 million in campaign ads for Republicans
The NRA spent $34.5 million in ads against Democrats

Trump last year -Donald Trump marked his 99th day as US president by basking in the noisy adulation of his base and making a pledge to the National Rifle Association: “You came through for me and I am going to come through for you.”
And his base will appreciate that being very strong 2nd Amendment Supporters that they are. You are not revealing anything that shocking, Trump is a very prolific 2A supporter, as are most of the GOP, but when Democrats were in power, why didn’t they make changes especially after the Columbine massacre?

For two straight years when Obama was President, Democrats held a healthy majority in the House and a 55 Seat hold in the Senate, more than what Trump and the GOP hold today, why didn’t they put changes to gun laws when they held all three houses?

By the time Sandy Hook school Massacre took place in 2012, the Democrats had suffered heavy losses in the 2010 Midterms. Republicans re-gaining a majority in the House of Representatives, they also gained 6 seats in the Senate.

It doesn’t matter what we say here. Nothing is going to dramatically change. I see chatter about bills being put forward about age restrictions, but no actual change to cease the sale of dangerous guns. America is past the point of no return when it comes to gun control. They have more guns in America than people and as already pointed out, how the hell are law enforcement going to get people parting with their guns willingly, in a very very very very large gun amnesty?
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And his base will appreciate that being very strong 2nd Amendment Supporters that they are. You are not revealing anything that shocking, Trump is a very prolific 2A supporter, as are most of the GOP, but when Democrats were in power, why didn’t they make changes especially after the Columbine massacre?

For two straight years when Obama was President, Democrats held a healthy majority in the House and a 55 Seat hold in the Senate, more than what Trump and the GOP hold today, why didn’t they put changes to gun laws when they held all three houses?

By the time Sandy Hook school Massacre took place in 2012, the Democrats had suffered heavy losses in the 2010 Midterms. Republicans re-gaining a majority in the House of Representatives, they also gained 6 seats in the Senate.

It doesn’t matter what we say here. Nothing is going to dramatically change. I see chatter about bills being put forward about age restrictions, but no actual change to cease the sale of dangerous guns. America is past the point of no return when it comes to gun control. They have more guns in America than people and as already pointed out, how the hell are law enforcement going to get people parting with their guns willingly, in a very very very very large gun amnesty?
No idea why you have to bring up the past, my post is pointing out that Trump and co are supported by the NRA and he has made numerous comments of support. So every time there is an atrocity, he has blood on his hands.
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No idea why you have to bring up the past, my post is pointing out that Trump and co are supported by the NRA and he has made numerous comments of support. So every time there is an atrocity, he has blood on his hands.
He also made it easier for the mentally ill to get their hands on guns, it doesn't matter if the law he scrapped wasn't great, it was better than nothing and if it was that bad then change it don't scrap it, still not to worry he's praying for the victims, that'll be of great comfort to their loved ones I'm sure
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

What is there to say? It's all been said before.
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Surely the Ammo shop that sold the weapon(s) to a minor should be shut down.... and possibly face prosecution...
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Nikolas Cruz, 19, bought an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle, a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 .223, last February at Sunrise Tactical Supply, a local gun shop. The purchase was entirely legal Federal law allows people aged 18 and older to buy semi-automatic rifles. By contrast, you have to be 21 to buy a handgun or to drink alcohol.
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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

I'm pleasantly surprised that - up to now - nobody has been blaming the influence of shooter style gaming.
I recall it used to get a right good slating at one time, and was 'allegedly' the reason behind many acts of violence.

Mind you, I also remember being told that playing a Black Sabbath LP backwards would lead me into satanic rituals
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No idea why you have to bring up the past, my post is pointing out that Trump and co are supported by the NRA and he has made numerous comments of support. So every time there is an atrocity, he has blood on his hands.
Because the past is relevant, that’s why.

Then in that case all past Presidents have as well. There has been such massacres and atrocities under them, when they and congress should have acted but didn’t, but hey ho, carry on bashing Trump because I get that you can’t stand him. But stop being a hypocrite while doing it.

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He also made it easier for the mentally ill to get their hands on guns, it doesn't matter if the law he scrapped wasn't great, it was better than nothing and if it was that bad then change it don't scrap it, still not to worry he's praying for the victims, that'll be of great comfort to their loved ones I'm sure
The law actually wasn’t that great at all and better than nothing. I’ve said earlier on, the law would not have stopped the Florida shooter.

There is Two main criteria but there is a handful of wide ranging mental health conditions, some that does not mean a person lacks capacity. Such a law could be considered as discriminatory and infringing on constitutional rights and civil liberties. The right to bear arms.
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Because the past is relevant, that’s why.

Then in that case all past Presidents have as well. There has been such massacres and atrocities under them, when they and congress should have acted but didn’t, but hey ho, carry on bashing Trump because I get that you can’t stand him. But stop being a hypocrite while doing it.

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The law actually wasn’t that great at all and better than nothing. I’ve said earlier on, the law would not have stopped the Florida shooter.

There is Two main criteria but there is a handful of wide ranging mental health conditions, some that does not mean a person lacks capacity. Such a law could be considered as discriminatory and infringing on constitutional rights and civil liberties. The right to bear arms.
Mick, you are missing my point due to your love of trump. Of course all past presidents could have done something to change the law but my point is that the republicans have been heavily financially supported by the NRA for a long time and they should take a long hard looks at themselves when incidents like this occur.
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Mick, you are missing my point due to your love of trump.
Your point and many others in this thread as well.
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Your point and many others in this thread as well.
Rubbish.

I have not missed any point. Nor is this anything to do with a ridiculous assertion of a love for Trump. I said at the start of this thread if people bothered to open their eyes, that I do not supports Trump views on gun ownership.
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I agree with this.

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We get that. But the argument falls inevitably back on the Constitutional right in the form of the 2nd Amendment.
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We get that. But the argument falls inevitably back on the Constitutional right in the form of the 2nd Amendment.
Which also states "As part of a well regulated militia" not just armed civilians.
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We get that. But the argument falls inevitably back on the Constitutional right in the form of the 2nd Amendment.
It’s an Amendment - it can be repealed.

The Constitution is the basis, but allowed for Amendments, which can be repealed.

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FBI failure in Florida. Perhaps too much time spent on false Russia investigations.

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The Russia Investigation Team is based in New York and Washington, not in Miami. Two separate divisions within the agency handling completely different areas of criminal law. It’s like complaining the Home Office failed to stop the Hungerford shootings because it was too focused on countering Soviet espionage.

Also, "False"? Excellent timing, saying that at the exact same time Mueller indicted 13 Russians, 1 American, and 3 organisations.

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Which also states "As part of a well regulated militia" not just armed civilians.
Interestingly enough, the US passed the Militia Act of 1903, which designated the militia as two groups: the Unorganized Militia, which included all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45, and the Organized Militia, which included state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.

Unorganized doesn’t sound like well-regulated...
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