ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT rent rights

[Taf]

Rules aimed at preventing ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS from renting properties breach human rights laws, the High Court has ruled.

The "Right to Rent" scheme, which requires landlords to check the immigration status of tenants, was introduced in England in 2016.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47415383

What the merry hell are these judges on?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Taf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47415383

What the merry hell are these judges on?

Probably about £400k a year, most of which is seemingly spent on mind blowing drugs

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Taf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47415383

What the merry hell are these judges on?

I don't see an issue with this. It's the government's responsibility to ensure that the immigration policy and procedures are managing who lives here.

Landlords are not and should not be immigration officials. However, if you do make landlords do an immigration check, then they have to do it for everyone they rent to, otherwise it is racial profiling and illegal.

And if you are a UK citizen without a passport, visa or other proof of residency, then how do you prove your right to rent?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

And if you are a UK citizen without a passport, visa or other proof of residency, then how do you prove your right to rent?

You'd probably have a Nat Ins number and checkable medical records . . . at a guess

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Carth

You'd probably have a Nat Ins number and checkable medical records . . . at a guess

That doesn't prove your current immigration status, just that at some point you qualified for an NI number and have been ill in the UK.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

That doesn't prove your current immigration status, just that at some point you qualified for an NI number and have been ill in the UK.

how do you get an NI number if you're an illegal immigrant?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Carth

how do you get an NI number if you're an illegal immigrant?

Overstayed a valid visa? Child born in the UK of someone who did?

The issue with the law isn't about immigration law, it's about forcing landlords to do it and ending up them racially profiling people when they do.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Overstayed a valid visa? Child born in the UK of someone who did?

The issue with the law isn't about immigration law, it's about forcing landlords to do it and ending up them racially profiling people when they do.

How on earth is it racially profiling anybody? It applies to everybody.


Should the alternative be that the prospective tenants have to be vetted and approved by the Home Office?

Originally Posted by nomadking

How on earth is it racially profiling anybody? It applies to everybody.


Should the alternative be that the prospective tenants have to be vetted and approved by the Home Office?

Why do you need an alternative? We got on fine without having to check the status of everybody wanting to rent.

[RichardCoulter]

It does seem to look like the Government is trying to get, not just landlords, but employers, the NHS etc to do their job for them instead of taking action themselves.

Getting a NI number is relatively easy, in fact, there are more NI numbers in existence than there are living people in the UK.

If they cannot get one, one ruse that they use is to trawl historical death notices for children who died early in their lives. Once the child would have reached 16 years of age, the assume their identity and apply for a NI number. No morals whatsover.

The hostile environment policy isn't it? Turning all sorts of interactions with the state into a chance to be caught out. In theory it's fine but as well as giving the rest of us an extra step to many of our interactions and can also catch out people who don't have formal evidence of their right to remain as we found out with Windrush.

You need a universal national identity scheme if you're going to do stuff like this.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

The hostile environment policy isn't it? Turning all sorts of interactions with the state into a chance to be caught out. In theory it's fine but as well as giving the rest of us an extra step to many of our interactions and can also catch out people who don't have formal evidence of their right to remain as we found out with Windrush.

You need a universal national identity scheme if you're going to do stuff like this.

I don't like the idea of identity cards ,i know who i am and it's worked for me for the last 62 years.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

The hostile environment policy isn't it? Turning all sorts of interactions with the state into a chance to be caught out. In theory it's fine but as well as giving the rest of us an extra step to many of our interactions and can also catch out people who don't have formal evidence of their right to remain as we found out with Windrush.

You need a universal national identity scheme if you're going to do stuff like this.

But they did plan that and then kicked it into touch.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

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I don't like the idea of identity cards ,i know who i am and it's worked for me for the last 62 years.

Sometimes we have consider the greater good papa rather then ourselves.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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I don't like the idea of identity cards ,i know who i am and it's worked for me for the last 62 years.

You might know who you are, but your present enlightened state may not go on forever...

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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I don't like the idea of identity cards ,i know who i am and it's worked for me for the last 62 years.

Fine but if it only contained the information of a passport? I.E No biometrics.

Or no ID card at all but then we should be more relaxed about how often we require proof of citizenship. But not formalising the concept/process whilst demanding it is going to cause problems for some people.