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Old 08-05-2021, 11:17   #226
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Re: The future of television

Internet providers aren't going to be happy with peak time releases into the system. You just have to look at the significant impact games console releases have on internet traffic.

If a broadcaster really wants to stick to a rigid timing then almost certainly the easiest way to do that is linear.
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Re: The future of television

And for the foreseeable future, the easiest way to deliver linear TV is over-the-air broadcasting. We are still decades away from universal availability of high capacity data networks, not to mention the electricity generation capacity required to run them. In fact, until our power grid is entirely carbon neutral it would be quite irresponsible to needlessly increase power demand in such a way.
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Re: The future of television

Part of the reason this conversation goes round in circles is OB fails to tell us in whose interests linear ends?

To the end user right now there’s never been more choice. Even on Sky/Virgin there’s a huge amount of catch up and on demand they can choose to watch at present. So what’s the net benefit?

To the broadcaster they need to be 100% certain that they carry the viewer into the all streaming world and not that they get lost at the bottom of a menu, or in a difficult to navigate app.

Until then they will be happy to retain linear while using it as a mechanism to promote their own streaming offer.
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Re: The future of television

Part of the problem is that OB is completely blinkered as to the “in whose interests?” question. Anyone familiar with the origins of this long-running forum discussion may remember that the root of it is:

1. OB really, really, likes streaming TV
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2. OB is one of those people who has a very hard time accommodating preferences that differ from his.

Hence his occasional intemperate use of terms like “Neanderthal” in describing the millions of people who chose to watch Call of Duty as broadcast last week.
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Old 08-05-2021, 12:36   #230
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Part of the reason this conversation goes round in circles is OB fails to tell us in whose interests linear ends?
The only interests served by linear TV ending are Old Boy's as his prediction becomes true.

For viewers, broadband providers and broadcasters, the co-existence and blending of the two methods is an optimum state of affairs.
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Hence his occasional intemperate use of terms like “Neanderthal” in describing the millions of people who chose to watch Call of Duty as broadcast last week.
Hmmm, are you sure about this?

OB certainly introduced the term “Neanderthals” to the thread but from what I can see it’s jfman that keeps linking the term with the broadcast of LoD.
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Hmmm, are you sure about this?

OB certainly introduced the term “Neanderthals” to the thread but from what I can see it’s jfman that keeps linking the term with the broadcast of LoD.
I use the term ironically. As one of the 13 million Neanderthals who watched it as broadcast.

I respect everyone's viewing habits and rationale for doing so. Cost, convenience, who am I to judge?

OB introduced it as a term for those who still watch linear.
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Re: The future of television

What is it with the crap being vomited onto our screens


I mean coming soon The Masked Dancer, FFS please stop putting this crap out.


Its becoming so Americanised with all the stupid screaming that noise-cancelling headphone struggle with
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Re: The future of television

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What is it with the crap being vomited onto our screens


I mean coming soon The Masked Dancer, FFS please stop putting this crap out.


Its becoming so Americanised with all the stupid screaming that noise-cancelling headphone struggle with
People want quantity not quality these days. That is the future of tv.

Try BBC4 instead.
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What is it with the crap being vomited onto our screens

I mean coming soon The Masked Dancer, FFS please stop putting this crap out.

Its becoming so Americanised with all the stupid screaming that noise-cancelling headphone struggle with
It's incredibly popular light entertainment which taps into the public mood after what the nation has endured in the last 15 months. If you want more serious stuff, it's just a few clicks away too.

That's the beauty of living in a multi-channel, on-demand world. You can watch what you want, when you want it and on the device you want to watch it on. You're not tied down to just what's currently being shown on five channels in the living room.

The future is here and I for one love it!
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So released to a schedule, aka linear??
What, like the weekly episodes of some new series on Netflix, you mean?

No, that’s not linear but hey, if that’s what you want to call it, that’s OK by me.
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Re: The future of television

Streaming latency to be reduced to 10 seconds.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...aming-latency/
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Re: The future of television

Reducing latency to as near zero as possible is the holy grail of IP delivered TV. The problem is that live TV pictures have to be compressed prior to transmission. The time required to compress the image causes the latency. If you’re broadcasting live via Facebook (which our church has been doing every Sunday during lockdown) the Facebook live broadcast service allows you to select how much latency you want to tolerate. They advise you to go for a higher figure unless you need near-real-time responses from your viewers. If you opt for a lower figure, the trade off is reduced video quality. Obviously that’s not acceptable for premium live sports where they want to have their cake and eat it. I believe the BBC has been working on its own proprietary technology in this area as well.
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Streaming latency to be reduced to 10 seconds.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...aming-latency/
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The improvement is initially possible on the Amazon Fire TV, TV devices with Android TV and Google TV. The 10-second latency will also be rolled out to other platforms. This includes smartphones and tablets with the Android operating system as well as laptops and PCs with Zattoo ‘s progressive web app. Requirements are a stable network connection and the installation of the latest update. On devices with the iOS operating system and tvOS, Zattoo has succeeded in reducing the time delay when streaming to just 15 seconds.
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