Brexit (Old)

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

For the hard of thinking, to serve as PM or a minister they have to be elected members of parliament, elected by their constituents.

They are not “appointed” to parliament.

EU commissioners are appointed not elected.

You do understand the difference?

Also as opposed to say, the US presidential elections where you vote for an actual individual.

In the UK you vote for a party. The party then decides who their leader is, and therefore who the PM is.

You are also voting on a party manifesto, it shouldn’t really matter who delivers as PM on that manifesto as long as it delivered.

If the party itself decides that the leader is not doing a good job, they can replace him.

So there you have two mechanisms where by you can remove a government or the government can replace a leader.

Which is two more than you get with an EU commissioner

Less of the patronising tripe please.

You hate the EU, I do not. You will never convince me that leaving the EU based on the agenda of moving to a right wing, low tax, low regulated free market paradise is the right thing to do.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Are you saying that Rees-Mogg made this up? We're in danger of agreeing!

I don't know where the 97 years came from. In any case, what he said, according to the Guardian at least, was that it would take 50 years before the full economic benefit was felt.

Between 2020 and 2025, we would be many billions of pounds better off.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-will-pay-off

By 2025

By the mid-2020s, we should see “a post-Brexit dividend of £135bn just between 2020 and 2025, with a further £40bn a year from then on”, according to Rees-Mogg, who was quoting figures from the pro-Brexit group Economists for Free Trade.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't know where the 97 years came from. In any case, what he said, according to the Guardian at least, was that it would take 50 years before the full economic benefit was felt.

Between 2020 and 2025, we would be many billions of pounds better off.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-will-pay-off

By 2025

By the mid-2020s, we should see “a post-Brexit dividend of £135bn just between 2020 and 2025, with a further £40bn a year from then on”, according to Rees-Mogg, who was quoting figures from the pro-Brexit group Economists for Free Trade.

I may not have that long..

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't know where the 97 years came from. In any case, what he said, according to the Guardian at least, was that it would take 50 years before the full economic benefit was felt.

Between 2020 and 2025, we would be many billions of pounds better off.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-will-pay-off

By 2025

By the mid-2020s, we should see “a post-Brexit dividend of £135bn just between 2020 and 2025, with a further £40bn a year from then on”, according to Rees-Mogg, who was quoting figures from the pro-Brexit group Economists for Free Trade.

Comedy contradiction OB

When you like the predictions, it is going to happen:

Between 2020 and 2025, we would be many billions of pounds better off.

but when when you don't, it isn't:

I think these forecasters are simply making it up as they go along.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Less of the patronising tripe please.

You hate the EU, I do not. You will never convince me that leaving the EU based on the agenda of moving to a right wing, low tax, low regulated free market paradise is the right thing to do.

Go on. Attack Pierre when you cannot counter the facts that he set out.

He doesn’t have to hate the EU to be correct in his facts.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't know where the 97 years came from. In any case, what he said, according to the Guardian at least, was that it would take 50 years before the full economic benefit was felt.

Between 2020 and 2025, we would be many billions of pounds better off.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-will-pay-off

By 2025

By the mid-2020s, we should see “a post-Brexit dividend of £135bn just between 2020 and 2025, with a further £40bn a year from then on”, according to Rees-Mogg, who was quoting figures from the pro-Brexit group Economists for Free Trade.

I will assume I am on ignore, but just in case.

The 97 years was the age the poster would be by the time Rees-Mogg's 50 year claim for post Brexit prosperity would be fully felt

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Go on. Attack Pierre when you cannot counter the facts that he set out.

He doesn’t have to hate the EU to be correct in his facts.

"For the hard of thinking" was provocative and undermined the quality of debate.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

"For the hard of thinking" was provocative and undermined the quality of debate.

You need to allow linguistic latitude and be less up-tight. Pierre's post was full of true information and all you're worried about is "hards of thinking". Rather proves the point.

Brexit is about sovereignty and getting away from schemes dreamt up by the Commission that reduce our sovereignty. Any dispute about that invites a "hard of thinking" suggestion. You can always refute that with counter-argument.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Comedy contradiction OB

When you like the predictions, it is going to happen:



but when when you don't, it isn't:

Strange comment. I was just correcting a previous post. I didn't say that I believed Rees-Mogg's prediction, or any other prediction.

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Originally Posted by Angua

I will assume I am on ignore, but just in case.

The 97 years was the age the poster would be by the time Rees-Mogg's 50 year claim for post Brexit prosperity would be fully felt

Thank you for clarifying where the 97 years came from!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Less of the patronising tripe please.

You hate the EU, I do not. You will never convince me that leaving the EU based on the agenda of moving to a right wing, low tax, low regulated free market paradise is the right thing to do.

I don’t hate the EU, where have I ever said that? I have said many times Since the vote that I voted remain, because I did.

But now, what 2 years on?, I have fully come to terms with the result, and fully got on board.

It would have been easier to stay in and sail the the river Rio Status Quo, but a different path has been chosen and it will work if we look forward and not back.

We are leaving the EU.....it is law........regardless of whatever deal or no deal, that is irrelevant. Giving parliament a vote on whether they like the the deal is irrelevant.

That’s why all the current debate around it pointless. We are leaving to not do so would be unlawful, so we better get used to it........

[Angua]

Seems some Brexiteers would be happy to renege on the NHS bus idea all together. Suggesting letting American firms run NHS hospitals.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Angua

Seems some Brexiteers would be happy to renege on the NHS bus idea all together. Suggesting letting American firms run NHS hospitals.

so only ones with a credit card get seen to no thanks

[Angua]

British Businesses seem very unprepared for a no deal Brexit. No doubt people will whinge about scare mongering, but many SMEs have little capacity to plan for Brexit and government seem to have their heads in the sand over this.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Angua

British Businesses seem very unprepared for a no deal Brexit. No doubt people will whinge about scare mongering, but many SMEs have little capacity to plan for Brexit and government seem to have their heads in the sand over this.

It won't be the first time that governments have introduced laws that don't give businesses much time to comply.

Not satisfactory, but they'll cope.

[Sephiroth]

The important thing here is to get over the line and leave the EU. Transitional arrangements: fine. Chequers - if the EU agreed to it, very reluctantly fine provided it doesn't lock us into anything permanent; we can always change things later.

Just let's leave the EU behind - get away from German hegemony, French self-protection, ever closer union and all the baggage associated with the EU.