Brexit (Old)

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't think that is fair, Gavin. When Theresa May looked at the way ahead, she knew that she would be the fall guy if Brexit was not a success. So she worked out a way to both protect business and take some of the advantages of Brexit (such as an end to free movement) by way of a transitional arrangement to bridge the gap between our leaving the EU and the date by which we get a trade deal with the EU.

It has been widely acknowledged on both sides of the argument how resilient she has been, and nothing has side-tracked her despite all the noises-off both in Parliament and even from within her own party, against all the hostility she has taken from the EU. By the end of her tour of the nations, she will then have a debate in the Commons lasting days to discuss what happens next.

What she will be able to claim is:

- She would have done her absolute best to put in place a transition period that would assist business on both sides of the Channel to come to terms with the Brexit arrangements.

- She will have ensured that the country did not take an economic hit during the gap between Brexiting and securing an EU trade deal.

- She will have made sure that everyone understood, as far as it was possible for them to understand, the nature of the Withdrawal Agreement, so that nobody could say afterwards, at least with credibility, that the government did not do enough to explain the intention of that Agreement.

- Her tour of the nations and her plea to the public to make their wishes known to their MPs would have ensured that people could not say (again with credibility) that they had no opportunity to put their views forward.

So after the long debate in the Commons, MPs will vote on the Withdrawal Agreement. Everyone will understand by then what it means. If they vote it down, the Prime Minister will announce that in the absence of an agreement, Article 50 will be activated on 29 March and we wiil be out of the EU, ready to negotiate a trade deal, which will probably take up to two years in all likelihood. She will then announce the measures that will be in place to secure the speediest possible movement of goods and the arrangements in place for businesses to ensure that trade with the EU can continue relatively unimpeded, squashing yet another remoaner argument that no preparations have been done for Brexit without a deal.

Despite what others are saying about Theresa May's future prospects, I think it will be a case of game, set and match to Theresa May and a pure Brexit achieved.

Not bad for a couple of years hard grind against all the odds. Who else could have achieved this outcome?

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You are so funny, Mr K! You were trying to be funny, weren't you? This post of yours was hilarious!

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Another misunderstanding. Deliberate, I think.

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You obviously think all trade with the EU will cease if we come out of the EU with no deal. Well, that's completely wrong, and I think you know that, although I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. We will simply be trading on WTO terms until we get the trade agreement we are seeking. It is as simple as that. No need to panic, Mr Mainwaring.

Of course i don't think that OB lol i was just laughing at Mr Teat's silly assumptions that's all i don't post much in this thread as i don't see the point if honest.We are leaving and that's that .End of

Anyway the silly season starts tomrw so nothing is going to get done now until the second week in January.It's all going to be pissed people and funny hats for the next 5 weeks lol Although its a different kinda pissed people and different kinda funny hats from many that post in this thread

119-Days 9-Hrs 6-Min and 50-Seconds

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well, OB empty shelves are a definite possibility in a no deal scenario, at least initially. Lorries getting stuck at the ports with checks and the public panic buying.

What is amusing though is your total devotion to TM and her achieving 'pure Brexit'

My dear chap, if the EU puts in place barriers to their own exports to us, we will simply import cheaper goods from elsewhere!

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Originally Posted by jfman

So we will lose the ability to negotiate meaningful trade deals with anyone - nobody can compete with the EU if they flood the UK with tariff free goods/services on our doorstep.

Even our own companies will be harmed from this as their exports will be hit by tariffs in the EU side, so we won’t be competing on a level playing field.

We will also lose the benefit of tax revenue from tariffs.

You have this remarkable ability to see only one side of the equation.

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Originally Posted by djfunkdup

Of course i don't think that OB lol i was just laughing at Mr Teat's silly assumptions that's all i don't post much in this thread as i don't see the point if honest.We are leaving and that's that .End of

Anyway the silly season starts tomrw so nothing is going to get done now until the second week in January.It's all going to be pissed people and funny hats for the next 5 weeks lol Although its a different kinda pissed people and different kinda funny hats from many that post in this thread

119-Days 9-Hrs 6-Min and 50-Seconds

Oh, sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick there!! I thought you were actually putting that forward as something to be worried about!

My faith in you is restored!

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

My dear chap, if the EU puts in place barriers to their own exports to us, we will simply import cheaper goods from elsewhere!

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You have this remarkable ability to see only one side of the equation.

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Oh, sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick there!! I thought you were actually putting that forward as something to be worried about!

My faith in you is restored!

I wonder how we'll have empty supermarket shelves when this flood happens?

If it's tariff free won't costs come down?

How does jfman's flood of goods balance against the BoE "worst case" financial forecast?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You are being specious in your assertion of a 'downturn in the economy'.

The currently issued forecasts talk about lower economic GROWTH, which in no way means a 'downturn in the economy'.

It would help if you acknowledged this.

Apologies, I stated downturn in the performance of the economy first time and not in the second and I should have done. I will try and edit my post. I hope this clarifies things..
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Nope, can't edit it now. I trust this will stand

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You have this remarkable ability to see only one side of the equation.

I don’t think it’s remarkable to view all trade agreements as “what’s in it for us”. It’s hardly a groundbreaking interpretation of capitalism.

If we unilaterally impose no tariff or controls on EU goods and services that leaves us in a weak negotiating position with the rest of the world.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I wonder how we'll have empty supermarket shelves when this flood happens?

If it's tariff free won't costs come down?

How does jfman's flood of goods balance against the BoE "worst case" financial forecast?

Does the BoE assume we put no tariffs on EU imports?

If not we are talking about different hypothetical futures, neither of them positive for different reasons. Tariff free can’t reduce costs from EU countries because they already are tariff free.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jfman

I don’t think it’s remarkable to view all trade agreements as “what’s in it for us”. It’s hardly a groundbreaking interpretation of capitalism.

If we unilaterally impose no tariff or controls on EU goods and services that leaves us in a weak negotiating position with the rest of the world.

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Does the BoE assume we put no tariffs on EU imports?

If not we are talking about different hypothetical futures, neither of them positive for different reasons. Tariff free can’t reduce costs from EU countries because they already are tariff free.

Finally you have seen the light!

The financial forecasts are hypothetical and nothing more.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Finally you have seen the light!

The financial forecasts are hypothetical and nothing more.

I’m quite sure there isn’t an entire industry around their predictions because they are no better than guesswork.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m quite sure there isn’t an entire industry around their predictions because they are no better than guesswork.

It's the way you tell 'em, jfman!

[Mr K]

Could of course, be worse than they're forecasting !

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Could of course, be worse than they're forecasting !

Or better than the Brexiteers' wildest expectations.

That's quite a wide margin for error, don't you think, Mr K?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Or better than the Brexiteers' wildest expectations.

That's quite a wide margin for error, don't you think, Mr K?

Some Brexiters ' wildest dreams aren't very aspirational or numeric. They've moved from the land of milk and honey to we survived the Blitz, we'll survive Brexit.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Finally you have seen the light!

The financial forecasts are hypothetical and nothing more.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Could of course, be worse than they're forecasting !

This cliff edge leading us to the Chancellor’s emergency budget. I can’t wait!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

This cliff edge leading us to the Chancellor’s emergency budget. I can’t wait!

You really are willing us to fail, aren't you? Not very patriotic of you, I'd say.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You really are willing us to fail, aren't you? Not very patriotic of you, I'd say.

It’s my duty to report on matters as I see fit. Unless you actively think nationalism should trump freedom of speech? That’s rather dangerous if you do.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Some Brexiters ' wildest dreams aren't very aspirational or numeric. They've moved from the land of milk and honey to we survived the Blitz, we'll survive Brexit.

I am sure this was a tongue-in-cheek comment, Andrew. There's no other way to take it, really.

At least Brexiteers want the best for this country and can see many opportunities for increased trade and reduced prices for products coming in, free of the protectionist tariffs put in place by the EU.

jfman's post above #4018, if it is representative of the Mod EDIT community, clearly suggests that they do not want the best for this country at all.

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Originally Posted by jfman

It’s my duty to report on matters as I see fit. Unless you actively think nationalism should trump freedom of speech? That’s rather dangerous if you do.

Where did I question your freedom to speak your mind? I merely commented that you appeared not to want the best for this country. I notice you didn't deny it.

Please obey the request not to use the term that you originally used