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Old 10-12-2019, 11:11   #6991
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Well, maybe the broadband infrastructure in the US does not make this a viable project just now - I don't know. But frankly, it's irrelevant. The fact that Amazon bothered to go for these bucket shop rights, with all the energy they had to expend on making this work for just five days in December must prove that the determination is there if the experience proves successful.

Anyway, we will soon see, just three years to find out.
It was a cheap as chips package that they would use as a driver for a uptake of
new Prime subscribers throughout Christmas.

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Sooner or later, Amazon will get in there, and my guess is that this will come about in the 2022 bidding process.



Anyway, we will soon see, just three years to find out.
Just like the last few bidding processes l suppose....
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Old 10-12-2019, 11:25   #6992
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It was a cheap as chips package that they would use as a driver for a uptake of
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Just like the last few bidding processes l suppose....
Nobody denies that Amazon only made a bid for the cheapest package, but why would they put so much effort into delivering these few matches via broadband if they were not taking this seriously?

Your constant reference to situations that have not happened before does not prove your case. The broadband structure in this country is still in development, so it's no wonder this has not be tried before.
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:05   #6993
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Amazon break into Champions league with German deal https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...eague-football

Streaming service follows Premier League success with further football rights tie-up
Fresh from the success of streaming top-flight English football for the first time, Amazon has sets its sights on Europe’s premier club competition, securing exclusive German rights to a package of Champions League matches.

Amazon’s deal in Germany is akin to its move to break the stranglehold on Premier League rights held by Sky and BT in the UK. In Germany, Champions League rights are held by Sky Deutschland, which sub-licenses a package to sports streaming service DAZN.

Amazon has picked up the exclusive rights to 16 Champions League matches a season, giving it the top pick for Tuesday night fixtures, in the group and knockout stages for three seasons from 2021-22.


Still think the likes of Amazon won't bid for more football? Ok it's only 16 matches but this shows they clearly are testing the waters.
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Old 10-12-2019, 13:50   #6994
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Well, yes. The obvious question of the return on investment of over £5bn.
You are presupposing Amazon would bid for all Premier League rights by coming up with that figure.

If and its a big if Amazon bid for rights next time round what makes you think they would go for all rights and not just one or two packages?

Or maybe the EPL will structure a new package to tempt Amazon to spend more than they have in this round?
Something like all bank holiday weekend games or all games for several mid weeks?
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Old 10-12-2019, 14:36   #6995
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You are trying to take us for fools if you are denying that the money will follow the football. I am sure the advice Amazon gets from its experts will enable them to assess whether it will be worthwhile to make a bid for the Premiership football, and it is pretty clear to me that this advice will lead them to go for it. You have not explained exactly why this would not work for Amazon even though it works for Sky and BT. Given that you are one of the 'nothing will ever change' brigade, you will only begrudgingly start to believe it when it hits you in the face.

You are entitled to your view, but you will be proved wrong. Sooner or later, Amazon will get in there, and my guess is that this will come about in the 2022 bidding process.

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Well, maybe the broadband infrastructure in the US does not make this a viable project just now - I don't know. But frankly, it's irrelevant. The fact that Amazon bothered to go for these bucket shop rights, with all the energy they had to expend on making this work for just five days in December must prove that the determination is there if the experience proves successful.

Anyway, we will soon see, just three years to find out.
If money follows football again the graveyard of Sky competitors in this country indicates there's a bit more to it than that.

£5bn is a huge wedge of money to invest with so much uncertainty about the model, pricing and the customer base.

Amazon haven't had to expend much energy broadcasting these games. Neither does it show a determination. It shows a unique opportunity where they could get rights of no value to anyone else that had some value to Amazon due to timing. This was by design of a league desperate to drum up interest.

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You are presupposing Amazon would bid for all Premier League rights by coming up with that figure.

If and its a big if Amazon bid for rights next time round what makes you think they would go for all rights and not just one or two packages?

Or maybe the EPL will structure a new package to tempt Amazon to spend more than they have in this round?
Something like all bank holiday weekend games or all games for several mid weeks?
I'm sure if the league puts something on a plate, at low cost, Amazon will of course be interested. However thats a dangerous game for the league to play risking the ire (and value of the rights) to their largest revenue streams Sky and BT.
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If money follows football again the graveyard of Sky competitors in this country indicates there's a bit more to it than that.

£5bn is a huge wedge of money to invest with so much uncertainty about the model, pricing and the customer base.

Amazon haven't had to expend much energy broadcasting these games. Neither does it show a determination. It shows a unique opportunity where they could get rights of no value to anyone else that had some value to Amazon due to timing. This was by design of a league desperate to drum up interest.

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I'm sure if the league puts something on a plate, at low cost, Amazon will of course be interested. However thats a dangerous game for the league to play risking the ire (and value of the rights) to their largest revenue streams Sky and BT.
You haven't answered why you think Amazon would have to spend £5 billion to secure the rights.
Multiple packages will be available why do you think Amazon would have to buy all of them?
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You haven't answered why you think Amazon would have to spend £5 billion to secure the rights.
Multiple packages will be available why do you think Amazon would have to buy all of them?
Much previous conversation around this matter has revolved around Amazon or others having the resource to “blow Sky out the water”, so I’ve largely stuck to addressing that point.

Do Amazon want to do a BT/ESPN/Setanta and increase their costs to play second fiddle with a game once per week? BT Sport standalone is quite an expensive product for what it is.
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Much previous conversation around this matter has revolved around Amazon or others having the resource to “blow Sky out the water”, so I’ve largely stuck to addressing that point.

Do Amazon want to do a BT/ESPN/Setanta and increase their costs to play second fiddle with a game once per week? BT Sport standalone is quite an expensive product for what it is.
I don't think anyone could argue against the fact that Amazon couldn't possibly make a return on a £5 billion investment in a single market,
but lets follow your example, say no special package is created for them and they decide to go for BT's 12:30 pm Saturday games?
The economics become far more complicated, how many extra Prime subscriptions would they create?
How much extra retail sales would they get?
How much upselling of other subscriptions like Amazon Music which is cheaper than Spotify would they create?

This three year deal is undoubtedly an experiment by them to work out the metrics which is why I said it will be a big if that they bid again for rights, they don't need to be a dominant player in the market or blow Sky out of the water, they just need to secure enough rights to increase their main business which is selling us stuff.
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If money follows football again the graveyard of Sky competitors in this country indicates there's a bit more to it than that.

£5bn is a huge wedge of money to invest with so much uncertainty about the model, pricing and the customer base.

Amazon haven't had to expend much energy broadcasting these games. Neither does it show a determination. It shows a unique opportunity where they could get rights of no value to anyone else that had some value to Amazon due to timing. This was by design of a league desperate to drum up interest.

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I'm sure if the league puts something on a plate, at low cost, Amazon will of course be interested. However thats a dangerous game for the league to play risking the ire (and value of the rights) to their largest revenue streams Sky and BT.
This is Amazon we are talking about! If anyone can take on Sky, they can.

If you really think it was a breeze for Amazon to take on these few matches, you are underestimating to a spectacular extent.
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This is Amazon we are talking about! If anyone can take on Sky, they can.

If you really think it was a breeze for Amazon to take on these few matches, you are underestimating to a spectacular extent.
BT have been taking on streaming of 8 games on their app for some considerable time in the Champions League so this isn’t the huge technological feat you claim it to be.

“If anyone can take on Sky, they can”

The same applies to BT. Hell even Setanta had venture capitalists with billions at their disposal back in the day. You are confusing having a business model for this task in its own right with the size of a company,
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BT have been taking on streaming of 8 games on their app for some considerable time in the Champions League so this isn’t the huge technological feat you claim it to be.

“If anyone can take on Sky, they can”

The same applies to BT. Hell even Setanta had venture capitalists with billions at their disposal back in the day. You are confusing having a business model for this task in its own right with the size of a company,
I am not confusing anything. I'm afraid you are in denial and your little bubble will burst before long.

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Media Boy is reporting that Comcast is planning to launch the Peacock streaming service on Virgin Media’s V6 Box, as well as BT YouView and Sky Q by 2021. CNBC have also reported that 🦚 will be a free, ad-supported service with an premium, ad-free tier.
It will be interesting to see the content on offer. I might subscribe to this service if there are originals on it and other good dramas that I haven't seen.
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I am not confusing anything. I'm afraid you are in denial and your little bubble will burst before long.

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It will be interesting to see the content on offer. I might subscribe to this service if there are originals on it and other good dramas that I haven't seen.
Here's what I can get for you so far, OB.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...price-features
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Here's what I can get for you so far, OB.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...price-features
Interesting. Thanks, Aguero. Not very much on that list that grabs me, but I will see all the stuff in the library when it launches. It's the originals that are of particular interest to me!
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Interesting. Thanks, Aguero. Not very much on that list that grabs me, but I will see all the stuff in the library when it launches. It's the originals that are of particular interest to me!
I think it won't be much different to what is available now library wise.

https://www.nbc.com/
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