The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by superbiatch

I second that for exactly the same reasons. NHS spend looks likely to be cut massively under either of the other two.

SB, If they want to cut NHS spending, they should look to the managers first mate. A complete waste of money. Do you really need so many managers to run just one ward?
How about getting in bank staff at an inflated rate when they refuse to pay the regular members of staff overtime.
Total mismanagement.
I know this because my wife works as a grade 3 HCA at a mental hospital.

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by budwieser

SB, If they want to cut NHS spending, they should look to the managers first mate. A complete waste of money. Do you really need so many managers to run just one ward?
How about getting in bank staff at an inflated rate when they refuse to pay the regular members of staff overtime.
Total mismanagement.
I know this because my wife works as a grade 3 HCA at a mental hospital.

Ah you see that would be the sensible thing to do, but more likely it would be services like mine which are having a huge impact in severely deprived areas which have staff cut

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Originally Posted by Mick

Yeah but why vote back in a Government met with such serious failings? Don't get me wrong - You vote for who you like - but I don't get how people can vote for these same muppets - They are a complete and utter failure for the people of Britain.

Just getting back to your point though - I would presume such cuts would be aimed at the Pen pushers and the people in the back offices making up these bizarre and unachievable targets - The Target system launched under a Labour Government. Basically cuts in the Bureaucracy, those cuts are needed.

I wish I was as optimistic as you are about who's jobs will be on the line, but like most people I have a mortgage to pay so i'm looking out for No. 1

Having spent time reading the policies of all the major parties regarding health care, my vote is as it was. Thats not to say I agree with all policies, and we'll see what the forthcoming weeks hold.

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by superbiatch

Ah you see that would be the sensible thing to do, but more likely it would be services like mine which are having a huge impact in severely deprived areas which have staff cut

And our governing bodies don`t do sensible do they.
Where does the money come from for their " Little jollies" ?
They`re all a waste of space SB.

Originally Posted by superbiatch

Ah you see that would be the sensible thing to do, but more likely it would be services like mine which are having a huge impact in severely deprived areas which have staff cut

So in essence - you're voting for the same party back in which those deprived areas would still be deprived under a Labour Government?

Just out of interest - are you front line staff?

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by Mick

So in essence - you're voting for the same party back in which those deprived areas would still be deprived under a Labour Government?

So they wouldn't be deprived under the Tories? I don't believe much of what any politician says tbh, but the policy around healthcare is what is currently swinging it.

I manage a stop smoking service and practice as front line also.

Originally Posted by superbiatch

So they wouldn't be deprived under the Tories? I don't believe much of what any politician says tbh, but the policy around healthcare is what is currently swinging it.

I manage a stop smoking service and practice as front line also.

Just found this from the Conservative Party website on Health and the NHS...

Health

Over three years ago David Cameron spelled out his priorities in three letters – NHS. Since then, we have consistently fought to protect the values the NHS stands for and have campaigned to defend the NHS from Labour’s cuts and reorganisations.

As the party of the NHS, we will never change the idea at the heart of our NHS – that healthcare in this country is free at the point of use and available to everyone based on need, not ability to pay. Labour promised to save the NHS but today, despite the massive increase in spending, the gap in health outcomes between the UK and the rest of Europe has actually widened.

A decade of top-down, bureaucratic mismanagement has consistently undermined the professionalism and motivation of NHS staff and skewed NHS priorities away from patient care, creating a culture where ticking boxes is more important than giving patients the treatment they need. We can’t go on with an NHS that puts targets before patients.

We understand the pressures the NHS faces. In recognition of its special place in our society, we are committed to protecting health spending in real terms – we will not make the sick pay for Labour’s Debt Crisis. But that doesn’t mean the NHS shouldn’t change. When you’re more likely to die of cancer in Britain than most other countries in Europe – and when the number of managers in the NHS is rising almost three times as fast as the number of nurses – the question isn’t whether the NHS should change, it’s how the NHS should change. We have a reform plan to make the changes the NHS needs.

Our reform plan is based on the methods of the post-bureaucratic age – decentralisation, accountability and transparency. Applying these ideas to the NHS will help us improve it for everyone and allow us to meet people’s rising expectations. Instead of bureaucratic accountability there will be democratic accountability.

We will decentralise power, so that patients have a real choice. And by publishing information about the kind of results that healthcare providers are achieving, we will make sure there is no hiding place for failure. If patients don’t like what they are offered, they will be able to find something better. This will drive up standards by allowing people to choose the best providers and by encouraging hospitals to compete for patients. Making doctors and nurses accountable to patients, not to endless layers of bureaucracy, will also save billions that are currently spent on needless bureaucratic checks – meaning we can spend more on the frontline services that make a real difference.

When patients not only have the power to choose where they get treated but also the information to make an informed choice, then hospitals and GPs that don’t provide good care will have to raise their game. Doctors and nurses will need to use their new-found freedom to meet the needs of the most important people in the NHS – patients.

We are the party of the NHS today because we not only back the values of the NHS, we back its funding and we have a vision for its future.
You can read our draft manifesto on health using the document reader below, or alternatively click here to download a copy in PDF format.

[superbiatch]

Funny, I was just reading that on the Tory site before my PC crashed

Tory policy for NHS is definitely more favourable than Lib Dem. My concern with Tory policy is regarding the NHS IT Contracts situation, OH is employed as a result of this. I'm only hoping should they get in, they don't make too drastic a cut in IT as some areas have move the NHS into the future (obviously there have been major c0ck ups as well!)

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by superbiatch

Funny, I was just reading that on the Tory site before my PC crashed

Tory policy for NHS is definitely more favourable than Lib Dem. My concern with Tory policy is regarding the NHS IT Contracts situation, OH is employed as a result of this. I'm only hoping should they get in, they don't make too drastic a cut in IT as some areas have move the NHS into the future (obviously there have been major c0ck ups as well!)

Is he involved in support or government announced projects?
If it's the former, then he's likely to be ok, there's enough saving to be made by cancelling the projects.
It's not a bad idea to make sure his CV and qualifications are up to date, better to be safe than sorry though.

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Is he involved in support or government announced projects?
If it's the former, then he's likely to be ok, there's enough saving to be made by cancelling the projects.
It's not a bad idea to make sure his CV and qualifications are up to date, better to be safe than sorry though.

I think he's safe enough as his role is needed all over the world, and his company is international but it would mean a move away.

[Ignitionnet]

This is quite amusing.

[Ramrod]

The best post so far

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Let me clear one thing, l WON'T be voting Labour, I have voted Lib Dem, as a protest vote against our Labour MP, who is crap and she is from Hounslow. I am a strong Labout Voter and always have been, BUT won't vote for our MP.

I just think Labour is the best party to run this country, Cameron has as much brains as me, and that ain't much.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

<snip> Cameron has as much brains as me, and that ain't much.

Awww, Bless

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Cameron has as much brains as me, and that ain't much.

You've got 12 O levels, 3 A levels, and a 1st degree too?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

No even 11 plus.