PM Boris forms a government
14-08-2019, 22:19
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
Because what’s not to like about being compared to the Vichy Government, Quisling, and the Britisches Freikorps?
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14-08-2019, 23:36
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
He said "kind of collaboration". Eg "Common Purpose".
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"There's a terrible kind of collaboration as it were, going on between people who think they can block Brexit in Parliament and our European friends," he added.
"The more they think there's a chance that Brexit can be blocked in Parliament, the more adamant they are in sticking to their position."
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Eg " Common Purpose".
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Of a group: having the same purpose or intent in some action or series of actions.
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The ONLY aim of those arguing for stopping a no-deal Brexit, is to force Remain. There is no current alternative to no-deal, all thanks to the "collaborators". There ISN'T any deal on the table to be accepted or rejected.
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15-08-2019, 12:16
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
Bless...
As Chris said above, "it’s classic dog-whistle campaigning"...
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15-08-2019, 15:24
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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Also receiving the letter were Tory MPs Dominic Grieve, Sir Oliver Letwin and Dame Caroline Spelman, and Nick Boles, the independent MP who quit the Tory Party over Brexit.
Responding on Thursday, they said they were happy to support cross-party work to block no deal and meet Mr Corbyn and MPs from other parties in the coming weeks.
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And that isn't collaboration?
Other than to remain, what "deal" have the Remain side ever suggested?
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15-08-2019, 21:00
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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And that isn't collaboration?
Other than to remain, what "deal" have the Remain side ever suggested?
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Corbyn just wants to be PM at any cost. Because he knows he won’t be elected as a PM he’s trying anyway possible. Just the same way he asked the government to “stand aside” earlier.
He knows he will never be elected so he just wants to be appointed, like the democratic socialist he is.
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15-08-2019, 22:01
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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Corbyn just wants to be PM at any cost. Because he knows he won’t be elected as a PM he’s trying anyway possible. Just the same way he asked the government to “stand aside” earlier.
He knows he will never be elected so he just wants to be appointed, like the democratic socialist he is.
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I don't think it's that because the other parties would pull the plug on him if he tried it.
More to the point the numbers wouldn't work anyway, not enough Tory rebels that would vote for him even if there were few Labour rebels.
This is about trying to box in the Liberal Democrats. Labour know the Liberal Democrats have the strongest objection to Corbyn of the Remain parties and they are also the biggest threat to them outside of that. So it makes an offer for an alliance that won't work. If the Liberals accept it then it scares away Remain Conservatives in Lib Dem marginals ' Vote Liberal, Get Corbyn' and if they refuse then it damages them amongst Labour-inclinded Remainers too.
Labour can't stand the Liberal Democrats because they'll find it harder to move as left as they naturally would like if there is a viable alternative on the centre-left, they can't take the entire left for granted if they have somewhere else to go.
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16-08-2019, 04:37
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I don't think it's that because the other parties would pull the plug on him if he tried it.
More to the point the numbers wouldn't work anyway, not enough Tory rebels that would vote for him even if there were few Labour rebels.
This is about trying to box in the Liberal Democrats. Labour know the Liberal Democrats have the strongest objection to Corbyn of the Remain parties and they are also the biggest threat to them outside of that. So it makes an offer for an alliance that won't work. If the Liberals accept it then it scares away Remain Conservatives in Lib Dem marginals 'Vote Liberal, Get Corbyn' and if they refuse then it damages them amongst Labour-inclinded Remainers too.
Labour can't stand the Liberal Democrats because they'll find it harder to move as left as they naturally would like if there is a viable alternative on the centre-left, they can't take the entire left for granted if they have somewhere else to go.
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You give him way far too much credit. This was about Corbyn’s ego and not much else.
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16-08-2019, 07:18
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Corbyn just wants to be PM at any cost. Because he knows he won’t be elected as a PM he’s trying anyway possible. Just the same way he asked the government to “stand aside” earlier.
He knows he will never be elected so he just wants to be appointed, like the democratic socialist he is.
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I'm not sure it's fair to say Corbyn wants to be PM at any cost. There are fairly straightforward ways to make himself more electable and he doesn't do those!
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16-08-2019, 07:34
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I'm not sure it's fair to say Corbyn wants to be PM at any cost. There are fairly straightforward ways to make himself more electable and he doesn't do those!
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Of course he does. He's too thick to make himself more electable and he sees Brexit as his opportunity. He tried it before and failed although this time some anti-democrats might hold the sway for him. Jeez.
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16-08-2019, 07:39
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
"anti-democrats" = people who do something you disagree with, even if it legal and within Parliamentary procedure...
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16-08-2019, 07:44
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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"anti-democrats" = people who do something you disagree with, even if it legal and within Parliamentary procedure...
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Why do you do this? Is it just for the sake of being contrary or don't you understand how anti-democratic it is try to unseat your own party of government for the sake of defeating the direct democracy instruction that the government received?
And why pick on one word pair in my response when there is a crisis more serious than Brexit facing us? A Corbyn premiership?
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16-08-2019, 09:15
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Why do you do this? Is it just for the sake of being contrary or don’t you understand that we don’t have a "direct democracy", we have a Parliamentary Democracy.
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16-08-2019, 09:22
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Why do you do this? Is it just for the sake of being contrary or don’t you understand that we don’t have a "direct democracy", we have a Parliamentary Democracy.
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You're doing it again. The Referendum was Direct Democracy which the Boris government, quite rightly wishes to implement. Again, jeez.
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16-08-2019, 09:39
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Why do you do this? Is it just for the sake of being contrary or don’t you understand that we don’t have a "direct democracy", we have a Parliamentary Democracy.
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Of which Democratically decided in 2015, to give the people of the UK a Referendum on leaving the EU. A year later, the people decided with over a million majority, to leave the EU. What some of these pathetic scumbags in Parliament are doing now, because they didn’t like the decision we gave them, they’re far from Democratic are trying to reverse or erase the result.
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16-08-2019, 09:42
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Re: PM Boris forms a government
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Corbyn just wants to be PM at any cost. Because he knows he won’t be elected as a PM he’s trying anyway possible. Just the same way he asked the government to “stand aside” earlier.
He knows he will never be elected so he just wants to be appointed, like the democratic socialist he is.
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Ermmm, Boris?
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Of which Democratically decided in 2015, to give the people of the UK a Referendum on leaving the EU. A year later, the people decided with over a million majority, to leave the EU. What some of these pathetic scumbags in Parliament are doing now, because they didn’t like the decision we gave them, they’re far from Democratic are trying to reverse or erase the result.
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Maybe they are worried about those that didn't vote or the increasing number that have changed their mind. Even those that voted yes weren't expecting the chaos of no deal, no one suggested that at the time.
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