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Old 17-04-2006, 14:09   #151
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

It isn't insane when you consider MPEG4 cable boxes aren't even out yet, and when they are will probably cost (to the operator) 2 times the cost of a TVDrive.

How many people would take the NTL PVR if it was leased out at £20/month and there was a £10 charge for the Sky HD channels.

Top SkyHD package - £299, plus £52.50/month
NTL HD - free, family+sports+movies is £52, rental of the more expensive box plus £10 for HD channels and you could be looking at £80 odd a month.
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Old 17-04-2006, 14:11   #152
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264

So sky will broadcast in H.264 (see Applications section)

If NTL provide MPEG-2 boxes, then it has to re-code the H.264 signal into MPEG-2 and send it to the NTL STB boxes. Insane....
Depends what they recieve. It may be that Sky is transcoding MPEG2 to H.264 .
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Old 17-04-2006, 16:08   #153
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

Is this obsolete news then?

http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?id=1247
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

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Is this obsolete news then?

http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?id=1247
Yes: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...tas-mpeg-4-pvr

6 months down the line & there's still no sogn of ntl's HDTV service....
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

Just finished speaking to my sister on the phone she cannot believe what a jump she has had on sky, she told me about how she can record shows etc. to her sky plus box and the sheer number of channels (from ntl analogue) she wont be looking back now.

Ntl are still in the 90s.
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

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[LEFT]It isn't insane when you consider MPEG4 cable boxes aren't even out yet, and when they are will probably cost (to the operator) 2 times the cost of a TVDrive.
The MPEG4 box that Ntl were looking at would have cost them less per unit than the current one Telewest are rolling out.
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

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The MPEG4 box that Ntl were looking at would have cost them less per unit than the current one Telewest are rolling out.
Surely then it would have made sense to scrap orders for the TVDrive and to extend the newer, more advanced and cheaper STB to Telewest areas.
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

Im still waiting for tv drive from ntl it seems like its never going to happen
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

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Surely then it would have made sense to scrap orders for the TVDrive and to extend the newer, more advanced and cheaper STB to Telewest areas.
You'd have thought so, given that the MPEG4 version had a better specification, and that ntl: will now have to either replace all the TW boxes with MPEG4 versions nationwide when these MPEG2 ones are obsolete, or else spend even more money than intended putting extra equipment into all the Headends to downscale MPEG4 broadcasts to MPEG2 versions.

It really is a shame that the new guy from ex-TW who's in charge of this now (as posted earlier in this thread), is so shortsighted about the speed of technological development with HD broadcasting - and that everyone else in the UK i.e. Sky and the BBC so far, will be using MPEG4 systems for their operations that he's sticking with a method of distribution that will take up more bandwith, not less, and will cost more to implement over the long term - and may potentially reduce the amount of HD content available to customers because of the very system chosen by them to use for networks than going with the MPEG4 unit ordered by ntl:.

As yet however there's no official information on HDTV for ntl: areas, apart from a contradictory press release on another website, quoting from two different people in the ntl: media centre, and the "unofficial" but very useful information gleaned by Neptune in this thread.
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

I totally skimmed over the above post, can you please keep your posts non-bold Thanks
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

mcyorkie: nothing unofficial about it - it's the opposite! Go to ntl's website, listen to the webcast at the places i highlighted and hear with your own ears "hdtv launching this summer on ntl" from ntl's own boss who's involved in it and says it more than once...Where's there hdtv there is a pvr. The question is, what one is it going to be...?
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

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Depends what they recieve. It may be that Sky is transcoding MPEG2 to H.264 .
If the source is from a US broadcast then it most likely will be aswell.
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

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It really is a shame that the new guy from ex-TW who's in charge of this now (as posted earlier in this thread), is so shortsighted about the speed of technological development with HD broadcasting - and that everyone else in the UK i.e. Sky and the BBC so far, will be using MPEG4 systems for their operations that he's sticking with a method of distribution that will take up more bandwith, not less, and will cost more to implement over the long term - and may potentially reduce the amount of HD content available to customers because of the very system chosen by them to use for networks than going with the MPEG4 unit ordered by ntl:.

As yet however there's no official information on HDTV for ntl: areas, apart from a contradictory press release on another website, quoting from two different people in the ntl: media centre, and the "unofficial" but very useful information gleaned by Neptune in this thread.
Whilst I'm not defending ntl with the use of MPEG-2 as opposed to 4, on a best case of a network which uses a 8mhz channel, 256QAM system will somewhat still have near to double the available bandwidth currently Sky employs if Sky is assumed to have 70 transponders operating to DVB-S. Sky using DVB-S2 for their HD will mean at a best case nearly 30% more efficient use of bandwidth on a transponder; still not enough to match the amount of bandwidh available on cable.

So maybe the benefits of using h.264 may not be negated by ntl and their decision considering how we are not likely to be bombarded by ****ty bidding and shopping channels going HD and there will be enough bandwidth to hold the few channels that will be HD compared to HD for a few years to come.
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Re: Where Is Hdtv From Ntl.....when?

The very first thing we need will be an 8 day EPG, the current 3 day EPG is not working this weekend, so what use is HDTV and PVR if the EPG either does not work or only covers 3 days. I can just about record all I want for a weeks holiday but, 2 weeks or longer and I'll have to choose wether to miss West Wing or 24, but there again my holiday is after the world cup and I reckon it will be the next world cup before we see HDTV and PVR that will actually work - NTL are that slow ( like its EPG ).
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