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Old 04-07-2022, 00:16   #4216
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

If the wee w8tch gets her ref2 then I think they should have more str8ct rules on what counts as a 2in for yes. For example it needs to be a clear majority, like 60% in favour. Where as if it was 51% yes and 49% no then it should count as that's barely a success.

Or just forget about it and fix the country and run it properly.
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Old 04-07-2022, 07:22   #4217
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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So let them have their vote then, no worries...
So you advocate having repeat referendums until they eventually get their way and then it becomes a permanent decision?

How very democratic. And how very EU.
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Old 04-07-2022, 08:16   #4218
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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If the wee w8tch gets her ref2 then I think they should have more str8ct rules on what counts as a 2in for yes. For example it needs to be a clear majority, like 60% in favour. Where as if it was 51% yes and 49% no then it should count as that's barely a success.

Or just forget about it and fix the country and run it properly.
Changing the win required would be seen as moving the goalposts so whilst sensible, the precedent has been set.

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So you advocate having repeat referendums until they eventually get their way and then it becomes a permanent decision?

How very democratic. And how very EU.
Not sure the EU organises national referendums.
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Old 04-07-2022, 08:32   #4219
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Changing the win required would be seen as moving the goalposts so whilst sensible, the precedent has been set.

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Not sure the EU organises national referendums.
Just the re-runs
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Changing the win required would be seen as moving the goalposts so whilst sensible, the precedent has been set.

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Not sure the EU organises national referendums.
We all know what OB meant.
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Old 04-07-2022, 09:19   #4221
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Wasn't the polls in Eire to join the EU a bit like that. Keep asking until you get a "yes" vote.
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Old 04-07-2022, 09:28   #4222
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Denmark had two on the Maastricht Treaty. The first was a No, so of course there had to be another.
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Old 04-07-2022, 12:25   #4223
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

The UK set the precedent by overturning the 1975 result.
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Old 04-07-2022, 13:33   #4224
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Wasn't the polls in Eire to join the EU a bit like that. Keep asking until you get a "yes" vote.
No, they weren’t - there were 2 referendums on accepting the Lisbon Treaty, not on joining the EU.

The first referendum was held in June 2008 was rejected by the Irish electorate, by a margin of 53.4% to 46.6%, with a turnout of 53%.[

The second referendum was held in October 2009, and the proposal was approved by 67.1% to 32.9%, with a turnout of 59%.
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Old 04-07-2022, 15:46   #4225
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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The UK set the precedent by overturning the 1975 result.
1) How can it be the precedent, when it was the last example, not the first?
2) 51 year gap v 1 year gap between votes. Not only once in a generation, but different questions.
3) 1975 was to be in the European Economic Community, which is very different and a large number of additional countries, compared to the EU which it morphed into.
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Old 04-07-2022, 21:49   #4226
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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So you advocate having repeat referendums until they eventually get their way and then it becomes a permanent decision?

How very democratic. And how very EU.
No. Was just giving the latest opinion poll OB.

Just like we could apply to rejoin the EU, the Scots could apply to rejoin the UK. Both, of course, could be told to Foxtrot Oscar...
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Old 04-07-2022, 22:15   #4227
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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No, they weren’t - there were 2 referendums on accepting the Lisbon Treaty, not on joining the EU.

The first referendum was held in June 2008 was rejected by the Irish electorate, by a margin of 53.4% to 46.6%, with a turnout of 53%.[

The second referendum was held in October 2009, and the proposal was approved by 67.1% to 32.9%, with a turnout of 59%.
Semantics.

Two treaties we didn’t even get a vote on.

Maastricht - which is basically what turned the EEC into the EU and a political entity, followed by
Lisbon which basically turned the EU into a quasi-state.

All members need to agree. The Rep of Ireland did not agree but rather than accept that, the question was asked again (sound familiar) and was overturned a year later.

This is not the first time. Ireland’s laws meant that they had to have a vote on at his type of thing. They initially rejected the Treaty of Nice, only to have to vote again on it a year later.

Denmark was also ordered to think again on Maastricht.

https://www.statista.com/chart/16479...a-second-vote/
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Old 04-07-2022, 23:27   #4228
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Denmark had two on the Maastricht Treaty. The first was a No, so of course there had to be another.
You missed out that the Danes secured that with the Edinburgh Agreement, Denmark would have four opt-outs in the fields of European citizenship, economic and monetary union, defence policy, and justice and home affairs. This allowed the proposal to be reconsidered since the proposition had changed.
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